Pfloyd's Elite 8 of Southern/SouthEast Ohio - Week #8

[pfloyd]

Pfloyd's Elite 8 of Southern/SouthEast Ohio - Week #8

1. Circleville (11-2)
2. Miami Trace (11-2)
3. Jackson (10-2)
4. Unioto (11-2)
5. Chesapeake (12-1)
6. Eastern Brown (12-1)
7. Marietta (12-2)
8. Wheelersburg (7-2)

... TreeHugger Wannabees ...

Washington CH (8-5)
Chillicothe (8-3)
Ironton (11-2)
Peebles (10-2)
Zane Trace (12-3)
Fairfield Union (8-2)
Southern (10-2)
15
Lucasville Valley (8-3)
Waverly (8-5)
South Webster (9-3)
Fairland (8-4)
Meigs (9-5)
20
Sheridan (9-4)
Huntington (10-4)
Portsmouth West (8-5)
Gallia Academy (7-7)
Warren (7-7)
25
Portsmouth (8-6)
Logan Elm (7-7)
Adena (7-7)
Wellston (9-3)
North Adams (8-5)
30
Fairfield Leesburg (8-4)
Northwest (9-5)
Eastern Pike (8-6)
Vinton County (6-7)
Nelsonville York (7-6)
35
Athens (4-8)
Hillsboro (4-9)
Symmes Valley (7-6)
Rock Hill (6-8)
McClain (5-7)
40
Lynchburg Clay (6-8)
South Point (4-7)
Piketon (8-8)
Portsmouth Notre Dame (9-3)
Southeastern (6-9)
45
Whiteoak (6-7)
Westfall (4-12)
Western Pike (6-6)
Logan (3-9)
Minford (3-11)
50
Waterford (6-8)
Belpre (7-6)
Rdsville Eastern (5-11)
South Gallia (5-8)
River Valley (6-9)
55
Trimble (5-11)
Manchester (7-9)
Coal Grove (5-8)
Federal Hocking (4-10)
Alexander (3-12)
60
Oak Hill (3-9)
Green (6-7)
Ironton St Joseph (4-8)
Portsmouth Clay (5-9)
New Lexington (2-10)
65
New Boston (4-8)

... Teams on the End Table ...

Paint Valley (0-15)
Miller (1-8)
West Union (1-11)
Ripley (1-12)
Portsmouth East (1-8)

[Ironman92]

Looks good…Miami Trace needed to not have a Christmas break

I thought last week was week 7?

[TheOHIOBully]

Tough top 8…Quick question who does everyone believe is the best player in that top 8???

That kid from Circleville is tough

[peake71]

Havent seen the kid from Circleville but The Peake's junior Maddox Kazee would have to be one of the top players. Not just his scoring ability but rebounds, assists and leadership.

[2quick2catch]

In no universe is Circleville the best team in the district. They are very good, but no way the top team.

[peake71]

Someone new. Pfloyd does a great job ranking these teams in southeast Ohio. He actually watches these teams and travel a lot of miles.
Rank your teams who you think but I guarantee his will be more accurate.

[pfloyd]

In no universe is Circleville the best team in the district. They are very good, but no way the top team.

... and that's why we rank them over the course of the entire season ... the committee would have loved to stuck Miami Trace back in the top spot BUT Circleville BEAT Miami Trace AT Miami Trace on 1/3 ... it all plays out in the end on the hardwood ...

[pfloyd]

Looks good…Miami Trace needed to not have a Christmas break

I thought last week was week 7?

... it was Week 7 ... I corrected it ... Miami Trace BEAT Jackson @ MT - that was the most physical game I've seen this season so far - they beat London after playing Jackson but then lost to Washington CH (-1 pt) & Circleville (-4 pts) back to back - two good teams but I was surprised they lost them both & AT HOME ... I think the Jackson game had an affect on those games ... but as you posted Christmas break may have had more to do with it - hated those breaks, hard to keep a routine going ...

[Hoopie74]

Someone new. Pfloyd does a great job ranking these teams in southeast Ohio. He actually watches these teams and travel a lot of miles.
Rank your teams who you think but I guarantee his will be more accurate.

100%

[danicalifornia]

I've seen a majority of the top teams and while I would have it a little different, that's part of the fun of the rankings.

Plus, without them, there would be little to no discussion on here on a regular basis.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

Somebody make a case for Circleville at No. 2 and Unioto at No. 4.

Circleville -- One quality win (Miami Trace). Two "bad" losses -- to Teays Valley (6-5) and to Hamilton Twp. (5-7). A .441 OWP.
Unioto -- Only quasi-quality win (Zane Trace), but otherwise a weak schedule except for losses against Jackson and Chillicothe.

Several other teams stronger strength of schedule, more quality wins and, in some cases, no "bad" losses.

Sometimes there are mitigating factors (key injuries, sickness, etc) that can cause a loss and should be factored in when fairly evaluating a team. Maybe there is more to learn about these two teams. A case can me made for Ironton, Chillicothe, Wheelersburg and Marietta being ranked above both Circleville and Unioto, pending mitigating factors.

**** I posted this a week ago. Nobody responded, which of course is OK. The credibility of this post still stands. Both of Circleville's losses now against teams with losing records and a double-OT win against a 4-10 team. I'd be interested in someone staring at the schedules and outcomes of these teams and respond. Maybe I'm missing something?

[TheOHIOBully]

Somebody make a case for Circleville at No. 2 and Unioto at No. 4.

Circleville -- One quality win (Miami Trace). Two "bad" losses -- to Teays Valley (6-5) and to Hamilton Twp. (5-7). A .441 OWP.
Unioto -- Only quasi-quality win (Zane Trace), but otherwise a weak schedule except for losses against Jackson and Chillicothe.

Several other teams stronger strength of schedule, more quality wins and, in some cases, no "bad" losses.

Sometimes there are mitigating factors (key injuries, sickness, etc) that can cause a loss and should be factored in when fairly evaluating a team. Maybe there is more to learn about these two teams. A case can me made for Ironton, Chillicothe, Wheelersburg and Marietta being ranked above both Circleville and Unioto, pending mitigating factors.

**** I posted this a week ago. Nobody responded, which of course is OK. The credibility of this post still stands. Both of Circleville's losses now against teams with losing records and a double-OT win against a 4-10 team. I'd be interested in someone staring at the schedules and outcomes of these teams and respond. Maybe I'm missing something?

i dont know where they should be ranked but they got more than 1 quality win, they have 1 excellent win and a few quality wins.

They beat Trace at Trace by 4
They smacked Washington CH by 26
They beat Bloom Carrol twice once by 20 plus
Bloom is a solid team

Losing to Teays Valley is terrible

Losing to Hamilton at their place isn’t horrible they’re a tough team

I don’t know if Circleville should be 1 or not but im not mad at it , it will work its self out by the end of the year

[danicalifornia]

Eh, Teays Valley isn’t that bad, plus the ol’ mitigating factors came into play that night as well.

Fields is a legit D2 prospect, plus Purdon will play at the next level too. They just are in over their heads in the OCC. They would be in the top 3 of the MSL Buckeye this season, if not at the top if they were still in that division. The mitigating factor may not have come into play if they were still in the MSL too.

[Sportsfan01]

Somebody make a case for Circleville at No. 2 and Unioto at No. 4.

Circleville -- One quality win (Miami Trace). Two "bad" losses -- to Teays Valley (6-5) and to Hamilton Twp. (5-7). A .441 OWP.
Unioto -- Only quasi-quality win (Zane Trace), but otherwise a weak schedule except for losses against Jackson and Chillicothe.

Several other teams stronger strength of schedule, more quality wins and, in some cases, no "bad" losses.

Sometimes there are mitigating factors (key injuries, sickness, etc) that can cause a loss and should be factored in when fairly evaluating a team. Maybe there is more to learn about these two teams. A case can me made for Ironton, Chillicothe, Wheelersburg and Marietta being ranked above both Circleville and Unioto, pending mitigating factors.

**** I posted this a week ago. Nobody responded, which of course is OK. The credibility of this post still stands. Both of Circleville's losses now against teams with losing records and a double-OT win against a 4-10 team. I'd be interested in someone staring at the schedules and outcomes of these teams and respond. Maybe I'm missing something?

With Marietta the one thing that stands out to me is the loss to Stuebenville. Not that that they lost, but how bad they got beat.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

Somebody make a case for Circleville at No. 2 and Unioto at No. 4.

Circleville -- One quality win (Miami Trace). Two "bad" losses -- to Teays Valley (6-5) and to Hamilton Twp. (5-7). A .441 OWP.
Unioto -- Only quasi-quality win (Zane Trace), but otherwise a weak schedule except for losses against Jackson and Chillicothe.

Several other teams stronger strength of schedule, more quality wins and, in some cases, no "bad" losses.

Sometimes there are mitigating factors (key injuries, sickness, etc) that can cause a loss and should be factored in when fairly evaluating a team. Maybe there is more to learn about these two teams. A case can me made for Ironton, Chillicothe, Wheelersburg and Marietta being ranked above both Circleville and Unioto, pending mitigating factors.

**** I posted this a week ago. Nobody responded, which of course is OK. The credibility of this post still stands. Both of Circleville's losses now against teams with losing records and a double-OT win against a 4-10 team. I'd be interested in someone staring at the schedules and outcomes of these teams and respond. Maybe I'm missing something?

i dont know where they should be ranked but they got more than 1 quality win, they have 1 excellent win and a few quality wins.

They beat Trace at Trace by 4
They smacked Washington CH by 26
They beat Bloom Carrol twice once by 20 plus
Bloom is a solid team

Losing to Teays Valley is terrible

Losing to Hamilton at their place isn’t horrible they’re a tough team

I don’t know if Circleville should be 1 or not but im not mad at it , it will work its self out by the end of the year

Appreciate the extensive look at this. Circleville is a solid team, but probably better ranked at No. 6 or so. For example, I've seen all of the top 8 (most of them multiple times) and they just don't have a better resume' than several other teams. For example, I'd take Chillicothe straight up over Circleville and the Cavs aren't even in the top 8. Just my take. This forum is all about dialogue and you've provided some.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

Eh, Teays Valley isn’t that bad, plus the ol’ mitigating factors came into play that night as well.

Fields is a legit D2 prospect, plus Purdon will play at the next level too. They just are in over their heads in the OCC. They would be in the top 3 of the MSL Buckeye this season, if not at the top if they were still in that division. The mitigating factor may not have come into play if they were still in the MSL too.

Teays Valley lost to four teams with losing records, correct?

[Ironman92]

I would go

Trace
Jackson
Marietta
Circleville
Chillicothe
Peake
Burg
Unioto
Eastern Brown

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

Somebody make a case for Circleville at No. 2 and Unioto at No. 4.

Circleville -- One quality win (Miami Trace). Two "bad" losses -- to Teays Valley (6-5) and to Hamilton Twp. (5-7). A .441 OWP.
Unioto -- Only quasi-quality win (Zane Trace), but otherwise a weak schedule except for losses against Jackson and Chillicothe.

Several other teams stronger strength of schedule, more quality wins and, in some cases, no "bad" losses.

Sometimes there are mitigating factors (key injuries, sickness, etc) that can cause a loss and should be factored in when fairly evaluating a team. Maybe there is more to learn about these two teams. A case can me made for Ironton, Chillicothe, Wheelersburg and Marietta being ranked above both Circleville and Unioto, pending mitigating factors.

**** I posted this a week ago. Nobody responded, which of course is OK. The credibility of this post still stands. Both of Circleville's losses now against teams with losing records and a double-OT win against a 4-10 team. I'd be interested in someone staring at the schedules and outcomes of these teams and respond. Maybe I'm missing something?

With Marietta the one thing that stands out to me is the loss to Stuebenville. Not that that they lost, but how bad they got beat.

Couple things on Steubenville:

-Beat Ontario (13-2) by 25
-Beat Toronto (11-3) by 21
-Beat Cambridge (14-2) by 22

In the Marietta game, Steubenville was held 23 points below its season average. But Marietta strangely went 4-for-25 on field goal attempts in the lane. Actually got numerous good looks. Yes, the final margin is extreme, but I think Steubenville is a top 4 team in the entire state and it was Marietta's worse shooting night of the year. Also, the margin got much wider substituting in the final three minutes. If you haven't seen Steubenville play, you are likely to enjoy watching them.

Marietta has two key injuries now, but they've won everything they could have been expected to win to date. Average winning margin of 17 points against teams .500 or better. Gave Wheeling Central Catholic (poised to win its 2nd straight W. Va title and likely go undefeated) its best game. WCC shot 68% on 3's that game and Marietta was down 3 with just under three minutes left. If WCC shoots a still excellent 50% from 3 the Tigers likely win that game.

My original comments were about Chillicothe (underrated) and I'm marginally less sure about Ironton and Wheelersburg after another week of play. But I think they would both be a "pick 'em" game against Circleville and Unioto. Healthy I'd take both Chillicothe and Marietta against Circleville and Unioto.

[Sportsfan01]

Somebody make a case for Circleville at No. 2 and Unioto at No. 4.

Circleville -- One quality win (Miami Trace). Two "bad" losses -- to Teays Valley (6-5) and to Hamilton Twp. (5-7). A .441 OWP.
Unioto -- Only quasi-quality win (Zane Trace), but otherwise a weak schedule except for losses against Jackson and Chillicothe.

Several other teams stronger strength of schedule, more quality wins and, in some cases, no "bad" losses.

Sometimes there are mitigating factors (key injuries, sickness, etc) that can cause a loss and should be factored in when fairly evaluating a team. Maybe there is more to learn about these two teams. A case can me made for Ironton, Chillicothe, Wheelersburg and Marietta being ranked above both Circleville and Unioto, pending mitigating factors.

**** I posted this a week ago. Nobody responded, which of course is OK. The credibility of this post still stands. Both of Circleville's losses now against teams with losing records and a double-OT win against a 4-10 team. I'd be interested in someone staring at the schedules and outcomes of these teams and respond. Maybe I'm missing something?

With Marietta the one thing that stands out to me is the loss to Stuebenville. Not that that they lost, but how bad they got beat.

Couple things on Steubenville:

-Beat Ontario (13-2) by 25
-Beat Toronto (11-3) by 21
-Beat Cambridge (14-2) by 22

In the Marietta game, Steubenville was held 23 points below its season average. But Marietta strangely went 4-for-25 on field goal attempts in the lane. Actually got numerous good looks. Yes, the final margin is extreme, but I think Steubenville is a top 4 team in the entire state and it was Marietta's worse shooting night of the year. Also, the margin got much wider substituting in the final three minutes. If you haven't seen Steubenville play, you are likely to enjoy watching them.

Marietta has two key injuries now, but they've won everything they could have been expected to win to date. Average winning margin of 17 points against teams .500 or better. Gave Wheeling Central Catholic (poised to win its 2nd straight W. Va title and likely go undefeated) its best game. WCC shot 68% on 3's that game and Marietta was down 3 with just under three minutes left. If WCC shoots a still excellent 50% from 3 the Tigers likely win that game.

My original comments were about Chillicothe (underrated) and I'm marginally less sure about Ironton and Wheelersburg after another week of play. But I think they would both be a "pick 'em" game against Circleville and Unioto. Healthy I'd take both Chillicothe and Marietta against Circleville and Unioto.

Stuebenville is good, but I don’t think they are top 4 in the state.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

With Marietta the one thing that stands out to me is the loss to Stuebenville. Not that that they lost, but how bad they got beat.

Couple things on Steubenville:

-Beat Ontario (13-2) by 25
-Beat Toronto (11-3) by 21
-Beat Cambridge (14-2) by 22

In the Marietta game, Steubenville was held 23 points below its season average. But Marietta strangely went 4-for-25 on field goal attempts in the lane. Actually got numerous good looks. Yes, the final margin is extreme, but I think Steubenville is a top 4 team in the entire state and it was Marietta's worse shooting night of the year. Also, the margin got much wider substituting in the final three minutes. If you haven't seen Steubenville play, you are likely to enjoy watching them.

Marietta has two key injuries now, but they've won everything they could have been expected to win to date. Average winning margin of 17 points against teams .500 or better. Gave Wheeling Central Catholic (poised to win its 2nd straight W. Va title and likely go undefeated) its best game. WCC shot 68% on 3's that game and Marietta was down 3 with just under three minutes left. If WCC shoots a still excellent 50% from 3 the Tigers likely win that game.

My original comments were about Chillicothe (underrated) and I'm marginally less sure about Ironton and Wheelersburg after another week of play. But I think they would both be a "pick 'em" game against Circleville and Unioto. Healthy I'd take both Chillicothe and Marietta against Circleville and Unioto.

Stuebenville is good, but I don’t think they are top 4 in the state.

Might not be top 4, and I'm surprised how strong they are as they lost their best player to graduation. I've seen them four times and impressed every time.