Re: 2018 Season Stats
Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 7:56 am
Can’t wait. Need some good reading material.
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For sure!! Do some coaches not even pay attention to who they are voting for? I mean, what do they base it on if not stats?ManitouDan2 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 7:36 am Few names of post season stuff got leaked out last night.. On page 1 of this thread I told you some of you are in for a rude awakening . It looks like they drew names out of a hat for some stuff . And I've got zero connection to anyone or any team . But again some girls who clearly , head and shoulders , clearly had better seasons than the award winners got left out . I know it cant be perfect , but it also shouldn't be horribly screwed up . Will make for good message board stuff for sure .
I agree. What are we saying to these kids whose "hard work , dedication , and more importantly on the field performance doesnt get rewarded"? Work your butt off or don't because it doesnt matter anyways?ManitouDan2 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:54 pm I said it once I'll say it again " you vote for mine I'll vote for your's" And there are fine , fine people coaching some of these teams but as a group I think they might want to consider a public vote so the " deal cutters " can be exposed . And hold the vote when all coaches can be present and can argue/support their players .
and I know some say " cant you just happy for those that got it " ? Well think about the kid whose hard work , dedication , and more importantly on the field performance doesnt get rewarded . There will be obvious " you have to joking" type selections where stats and wins/losses were evidently thrown out the window . ( rant over )
Trust me I understand your frustration but I don’t believe a girl is working her butt off to get a conference or district award. If a kid quits working hard because they didn’t receive a conference or district award then they are in it for the wrong reasons.Browns30 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:34 pmI agree. What are we saying to these kids whose "hard work , dedication , and more importantly on the field performance doesnt get rewarded"? Work your butt off or don't because it doesnt matter anyways?ManitouDan2 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:54 pm I said it once I'll say it again " you vote for mine I'll vote for your's" And there are fine , fine people coaching some of these teams but as a group I think they might want to consider a public vote so the " deal cutters " can be exposed . And hold the vote when all coaches can be present and can argue/support their players .
and I know some say " cant you just happy for those that got it " ? Well think about the kid whose hard work , dedication , and more importantly on the field performance doesnt get rewarded . There will be obvious " you have to joking" type selections where stats and wins/losses were evidently thrown out the window . ( rant over )
SoftballGirl wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:48 pmTrust me I understand your frustration but I don’t believe a girl is working her butt off to get a conference or district award. If a kid quits working hard because they didn’t receive a conference or district award then they are in it for the wrong reasons.Browns30 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:34 pmI agree. What are we saying to these kids whose "hard work , dedication , and more importantly on the field performance doesnt get rewarded"? Work your butt off or don't because it doesnt matter anyways?ManitouDan2 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:54 pm I said it once I'll say it again " you vote for mine I'll vote for your's" And there are fine , fine people coaching some of these teams but as a group I think they might want to consider a public vote so the " deal cutters " can be exposed . And hold the vote when all coaches can be present and can argue/support their players .
and I know some say " cant you just happy for those that got it " ? Well think about the kid whose hard work , dedication , and more importantly on the field performance doesnt get rewarded . There will be obvious " you have to joking" type selections where stats and wins/losses were evidently thrown out the window . ( rant over )
Yeah, they pay attention to who they are voting for because they have "water cooler" talk and talk people into voting for certain people for a variety of reasons either personal or by name. It is always interesting seeing who gets the awards and their connections to the school or even one of the coaches on staff. I realize everyone wants their child to be recognized and think they are one of the best when they really aren't. Like I was told a week or so by the college softball coach, they can tell by watching themself if they are worthy of being recruited. I am sure the parents or coaches will come up with excuses of why they are giving the awards unfairly, but it will all come to an end when they are a senior and walking across at graduation with no athletic scholarship in hand. That is where the disappointment will be found and that is truly unfair for that kid because it could have been stopped when they were a freshman, sophomore, or junior and receiving all-conference awards when they didn't deserve it. At least they have the newspaper clipping so they can relive the glory years later in life like their parents are doing now.Browns30 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:23 pmFor sure!! Do some coaches not even pay attention to who they are voting for? I mean, what do they base it on if not stats?ManitouDan2 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 7:36 am Few names of post season stuff got leaked out last night.. On page 1 of this thread I told you some of you are in for a rude awakening . It looks like they drew names out of a hat for some stuff . And I've got zero connection to anyone or any team . But again some girls who clearly , head and shoulders , clearly had better seasons than the award winners got left out . I know it cant be perfect , but it also shouldn't be horribly screwed up . Will make for good message board stuff for sure .
These individual awards are like participation trophies and they find ways to give one to everyone. Some just get larger ones than others based on so-called information from games likes stats that are being judged by a parent who is keeping the book or even a coach who may have a child on the team along showing favoritism for their kid's friends. Good programs aim for the ultimate goal of the W in the book and playing the best at every position without the I in the TEAM.Browns30 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:53 pmSoftballGirl wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:48 pmTrust me I understand your frustration but I don’t believe a girl is working her butt off to get a conference or district award. If a kid quits working hard because they didn’t receive a conference or district award then they are in it for the wrong reasons.
Oh I agree 100%!!! I feel like a lot of players AND coaches get too carried away with individual awards or accomplishments that they forget about TEAMWORK!
Yes I believe it makes a difference. Not necessarily the school they play for but the competition they play. If someone is hitting .400 for a team that plays tough competition all year compared to someone hitting .400 who doesn’t play as tough a competition I think it makes a difference. If new Boston plays the same competition that Notre Dame did then there is no difference.ColdHardTruth wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 4:48 pm Does a .400 hitter at Notre Dame deserve an award more than a .400 hitter at New Boston? Absolutely not
If they are both hitting .400, played equal competition then the tie breaker should be defense. A player who hardly fielded a ball because her pitcher struck out 10 game isn't the same as one who had to make several plays a gameSoftballGirl wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:08 pm Same for a pitcher also. Someone that throws an ERA of 1.50 is not the same as someone that throws 2.50 against tougher competition.
Stats will look good for the pitcher against weaker competition but is she truly the better pitcher?