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Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:42 pm
by Chaw
Nothing against Eastern and I'm not bashing them, however I do believe Waterford got screwed over on this one. I'll set the scene and you tell me.
Going into the sixth inning, Waterford trailed Eastern 3-4. Waterford was away team so they bat first and end up scoring 3 runs to make it 6-4. Now I'm not accusing collusion by Eastern, but before their turn at bat I noticed the coach/ manager have a lengthy discussion with the umpires while Waterford pitcher was warming up and really thought nothing of it. Waterford got two quick outs and the third batter stepped to the plate and proceeded to amass a 1-2 count. Meaning one more strike and the inning was over. After the batter swings and misses for his second strike the umpire calls time and decided that it was too dark to continue. ?????? The time was 7:28.
Not very dark at all at that time. Waterford played a game two nights before that lasted until 7:50.
So the game was suspended. My understanding is that if Waterford got the third out. ( One more strike) the game would have been considered a completed game. Waterford wins. Now the game is suspended and we play another inning. I suppose that if the shoe was on the other foot then I would agree to suspend. However, the coach talking to the umpires before their turn at bat sounds very fishy. The catcher from Waterford was standing beside the coach/ umpire exchange when they were talking and said it was about how dark it was getting. So what do you think?
COLLUSION or NO COLLUSION??
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:45 pm
by Chaw
And why wouldn't they stop play after the batter was through. Instead of in the middle of the at bat??
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:48 pm
by Chaw
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:48 pm
by Ironman92
Doesn’t sound good
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:05 am
by Meagle
The game will be finished at Waterford, right before they play their second contest.
Hope you understand that the safety of the athletes is the first concern of the umpires. The same crew last night stopped a non conference game last year with a inning and a half to go. Game was never made up. So, being a top conference game in our league, this game should be finished to 7 innings.
Also, unless you know what was said between anyone, maybe you should stop assuming what was said.
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:55 am
by Chaw
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:59 am
by Chaw
Btw...the catcher standing beside the coach/umpire does know what was said and he is the best friend of my son...however I am glad they stopped it in order to continue later...
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:00 am
by Chaw
Perhaps it is commonplace to do this...idk
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:13 pm
by Meagle
Same as with a lighting strike, the moment an umpire believes it is unsafe to play, he must stop play.
By the way, seems to be the discussion was the pitcher possibly throwing illegally from the windup. Believe your catcher overheard and went to inform your pitcher. Then everything was fine. So, rather than assume, might want to gather facts.
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:20 pm
by Chaw
Lol...ok. I am sorry....some of us realize when we say something wrong... obviously you are the coach or close to him...which gives you far more presidence in the matter than I...I was just repeating what I was told so I retract the statement and apologize for any misconstrued information.
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:30 pm
by Chaw
However, my opinion of stopping the game due to darkness is still very much...shall I say...a bunch of BULL...the umpire's opinion on whether it was too dark is nothing comparable to a lightning strike. One is an opinion, much like my own, and the other is an obvious danger
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:41 pm
by Meagle
Thank you.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, not all umpires are the same. So, you will have to deal with the inconsistencies between them.
To get back to the game, these two programs have represented the TVC Hocking with dignity and pride in the past seasons. Sure to be another barn burner on April 15th. Would recommend all those who can, make the trip to see how his plays out.
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:39 pm
by Raider6309
I’m not surprised
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:57 pm
by Kendog029
So what happens if by chance this happens again April 15? They are going to try and squeeze in essentially 9 innings in same amount of daylight. I’m not knocking anyone in this situation cause I get safety first. I’m wonder if maybe the eagles will be coming up hour or so early to hopefully squeeze a game + in on 15th.
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:59 pm
by Kendog029
Also will the pitchers pitches be counted toward this week or the week of the 15th? Anyone know the answer to this
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:19 pm
by Chaw
The pitch count will be counted for this week...per ohsaa rules. And also..the discussion about the pitcher throwing illegally happened the inning before that when the relief pitcher was first brought in..it was the 5th inning. Not the 6th when they had that discussion
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:40 pm
by Meagle
Believe you are incorrect there with the illegal pitch comment.
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:02 pm
by Watson45
Dont apologize. It does sound fishy. I know most umpires try their best. Although I ha e argued calls in the past I have rarely questioned integrity. But I have seen it happen. Not saying it did here. But that seems like a very odd place to end a game. If you are correct about the full game rule. OR it could have been 100% coincidence and harmless. Wasnt there and didnt see it but I probably would have the same lingering questions there haha
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:26 am
by swaggy7
Chaw wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:42 pm
Nothing against Eastern and I'm not bashing them, however I do believe Waterford got screwed over on this one. I'll set the scene and you tell me.
Going into the sixth inning, Waterford trailed Eastern 3-4. Waterford was away team so they bat first and end up scoring 3 runs to make it 6-4. Now I'm not accusing collusion by Eastern, but before their turn at bat I noticed the coach/ manager have a lengthy discussion with the umpires while Waterford pitcher was warming up and really thought nothing of it. Waterford got two quick outs and the third batter stepped to the plate and proceeded to amass a 1-2 count. Meaning one more strike and the inning was over. After the batter swings and misses for his second strike the umpire calls time and decided that it was too dark to continue. ?????? The time was 7:28.
Not very dark at all at that time. Waterford played a game two nights before that lasted until 7:50.
So the game was suspended. My understanding is that if Waterford got the third out. ( One more strike) the game would have been considered a completed game. Waterford wins. Now the game is suspended and we play another inning. I suppose that if the shoe was on the other foot then I would agree to suspend. However, the coach talking to the umpires before their turn at bat sounds very fishy. The catcher from Waterford was standing beside the coach/ umpire exchange when they were talking and said it was about how dark it was getting. So what do you think?
COLLUSION or NO COLLUSION??
Cry me a river.
Re: Eastern vs Waterford controversy
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:30 pm
by Baldeagle
We needed time to practice the hook and lateral so we could win in the last at bat
