2017 SEOAL

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Thoughts?

[Ironman92]

Jackson going to take it.

[Raider6309]

Jackson takes it

Logan and Warren aren't very good

[Catchup13]

Jackson takes it

Logan and Warren aren't very good

I disagree. I think Warren could be good. Young last year. Return most players.
I believe Jackson is rebuilding. I'm sure they'll be good, but not sure what to expect there. They lost a lot. But, they have to be a favorite, going for 4 in a row.
I do agree that Logan isn't good, which is crazy.
Interesting

[1987chieftains]

Jackson takes it

Logan and Warren aren't very good

I disagree. I think Warren could be good. Young last year. Return most players.
I believe Jackson is rebuilding. I'm sure they'll be good, but not sure what to expect there. They lost a lot. But, they have to be a favorite, going for 4 in a row.
I do agree that Logan isn't good, which is crazy.
Interesting

Jackson
Warren
then Logan which isn't that crazy. Most of the good athletes at Logan run or throw in track. Baseball offers them nothing. I mean honestly think about it. If your a good football, basketball, soccer player etc. What in the world is standing in the field or sitting in a bugout going to offer you in your off season???? In track your running working your cardio, your in the weight room lifting, throwing etc..... in baseball your standing or sitting.

[baseball16]

Jackson takes it

Logan and Warren aren't very good

I disagree. I think Warren could be good. Young last year. Return most players.
I believe Jackson is rebuilding. I'm sure they'll be good, but not sure what to expect there. They lost a lot. But, they have to be a favorite, going for 4 in a row.
I do agree that Logan isn't good, which is crazy.
Interesting

Jackson
Warren
then Logan which isn't that crazy. Most of the good athletes at Logan run or throw in track. Baseball offers them nothing. I mean honestly think about it. If your a good football, basketball, soccer player etc. What in the world is standing in the field or sitting in a bugout going to offer you in your off season???? In track your running working your cardio, your in the weight room lifting, throwing etc..... in baseball your standing or sitting.

Obviously you have never played baseball or if you did were not that successful in baseball.
Baseball is one of the Mentally toughest sports , next to cross-country, a high school kid can play. Tell me another sport where you fail 60-70% of the time and still be considered a good player.

[1987chieftains]

Your right, I didn't play baseball. And I'll give you its mentally tough...... for a pitcher, but the kid in right field that will have the ball hit to side of field twice in a game.....no. If I was a high school football/basketball coach I would encourage my players to do track instead of baseball.

[Raider6309]

Track offers nothing. Being athletic is easy. Mental is the hard part

[Ironman92]

Your right, I didn't play baseball. And I'll give you its mentally tough...... for a pitcher, but the kid in right field that will have the ball hit to side of field twice in a game.....no. If I was a high school football/basketball coach I would encourage my players to do track instead of baseball.

OF is pivotal...and those 3 better be on top of what is going on every pitch.

[doubleplay643]

Jackson
Warren
then Logan which isn't that crazy. Most of the good athletes at Logan run or throw in track. Baseball offers them nothing. I mean honestly think about it. If your a good football, basketball, soccer player etc. What in the world is standing in the field or sitting in a bugout going to offer you in your off season???? In track your running working your cardio, your in the weight room lifting, throwing etc..... in baseball your standing or sitting.

Real lack of understanding about the sport if you think standing in the field or sitting in the dugout is what the game is about. The amount of effort spent in a hitting barn or bullpen time throwing to separate yourself just a little is pretty remarkable. Upping your average from .300 to .350 takes physical work and a mental approach that requires a good deal of practice.

Most good athletes run track? Really, did I not see Lane Little on the baseball diamond last year wearing purple and white? Is he not a good athlete lol? Really, now there is a news flash.

Kind of a weird comment that track or baseball is the "off season" according to you. I am sure there are a lot of athletes that play baseball that don't consider it "off-season".

But I guess everyone has their own opinion.

As for the SEOAL I think it will between Jackson and Warren, I will be a homer and call it Jackson. SEOAL spring sports are coming to an end, and an end for SEOAL sports altogether.

[Mailman]

I think we have to cut them a break. If they think the right fielder just stands out there except 3 times a game. Then they obviously don't understand the game. But I do agree that if "your sport" is football or basketball, then doing track would be more beneficial from a physical standpoint. My sons best sport is baseball, I think he should run CC and Swim. Football and basketball don't do as much to prepare him physically for baseball. You can lift weights no matter what sport you play.

[Chieftain2009]

Track offers nothing. Being athletic is easy. Mental is the hard part

I love watching some baseball, but don't throw track under the bus lol

[1987chieftains]

Kind of a weird comment that track or baseball is the "off season" according to you. I am sure there are a lot of athletes that play baseball that don't consider it "off-season".

I did say "off season". prob 80% of track/baseball players do not play just those sports.

Most good athletes run track? Really, did I not see Lane Little on the baseball diamond last year wearing purple and white? Is he not a good athlete lol? Really, now there is a news flash

Off the top of my head Lane Little, Brendan Karns and Colton Stilwill were the only football/basketball players that played baseball. The rest did track or lifted for football. So, no news flash. Also on a side note on Lane did run in some track meets last year. Now thats a news flash.

Real lack of understanding about the sport if you think standing in the field or sitting in the dugout is what the game is about. The amount of effort spent in a hitting barn or bullpen time throwing to separate yourself just a little is pretty remarkable. Upping your average from .300 to .350 takes physical work and a mental approach that requires a good deal of practice.

No lack of understanding. High school baseball has the same problems that the MLB has, its slow and boring.

I think the cultures at your schools are different then Logans. Over the last 35 years Logan has only lost 3-4 league track meets and when they did it was only by a few pts. Logan has multiple district titles and Logan sends kids to the state track meet every year. In those same 35 years Logan baseball has only won a hand full of league titles. And here is my reasoning for baseball does nothing to help improve football players. I have friends that are football coaches. Those same coaches also have coached Varsity and JV baseball. When there kids ran track instead of playing baseball like there dads had done in high school they saw how much more beneficial track was then baseball. Those coaches now admitted that if your main sport is football or basketball, you need the run or throw in track. You guy can watch in every year in the combines. The biggest news is everyone 40 times. Have you guys heard of the phase "track speed" in football. you have never heard of baseball speed in Football.

[Ironman92]

Then why does the track power Logan lose to the baseball school Ironmen most years of late in football?

[Abe Froman]

No lack of understanding. High school baseball has the same problems that the MLB has, its slow and boring.

I think the cultures at your schools are different then Logans. Over the last 35 years Logan has only lost 3-4 league track meets and when they did it was only by a few pts. Logan has multiple district titles and Logan sends kids to the state track meet every year. In those same 35 years Logan baseball has only won a hand full of league titles. And here is my reasoning for baseball does nothing to help improve football players. I have friends that are football coaches. Those same coaches also have coached Varsity and JV baseball. When there kids ran track instead of playing baseball like there dads had done in high school they saw how much more beneficial track was then baseball. Those coaches now admitted that if your main sport is football or basketball, you need the run or throw in track. You guy can watch in every year in the combines. The biggest news is everyone 40 times. Have you guys heard of the phase "track speed" in football. you have never heard of baseball speed in Football.

Grab a snickers bruh.

The only thing slow is your ability to grasp that some folks like baseball, some consider baseball much more exciting than watching a sport where you run various distances without a ball being carried, kicked, thrown or hit. Some people think watching track is dull, but hey, to each their own.

Can't believe your "off-season" training and superiority in Track didn't produce better than a 3-7 record in the "almighty" sport of football for Logan, when was the last time you folks made the play-offs in Football. Given your Track prowess I would assume that is a regular occurrence.

Down here in the Burg we like to make the State Play-Offs in football and baseball, have even won a few state championships in baseball here of late if you hadn't heard. Last time we were in Huntington Park most folks weren't bored.

Since you hate baseball, maybe hop on over to the track thread. Sounds like you aren't winning a league championship in baseball again this year.

Good luck in track though.

[1987chieftains]

Then why does the track power Logan lose to the baseball school Ironmen most years of late in football?

the same reason that Jackson has lost half of there matchs to Logan.

[1987chieftains]

I don't like snicker. Bruh. It's a open forum. I can post as I please just like you.
I have gave my opinion on who would win league. And my reason why it won't be Logan. You guys pressed in disbelief that someone finds baseball boring.
Glad to hear your football program has won and you've played in Huntington park. Don't care about what happens on the river I don't live there. That's why I don't get on burg threads or threads that discuss the league they are in.

[Ironman92]

Then why does the track power Logan lose to the baseball school Ironmen most years of late in football?

the same reason that Jackson has lost half of there matchs to Logan.

So are we now talking about tennis somehow or do you not know that track has meets...not matches?...or did you mean matchups, which doesn't make any sense either?

I greatly enjoy both track and baseball. No need to degrade either sport..but this is the baseball forum.

[doubleplay643]

Off the top of my head Lane Little, Brendan Karns and Colton Stilwill were the only football/basketball players that played baseball. The rest did track or lifted for football. So, no news flash. Also on a side note on Lane did run in some track meets last year. Now thats a news flash.

Nope no news flash, that is pretty common actually to allow some crossover with kids who wanna do both. Best example I can think of is Pierce Mowery last year who was All-Ohio in baseball and All-Ohio in track for Zane Trace, as I recall the relay team he was a part of went to Jesse Owens for the state meet, and now lol he plays college basketball. So nope, no news flash.

In your mind apparently there are two main sports football and basketball, and if it isn't fall or winter then it is the "off-season". And if it is the spring off-season then somehow track is the great "training mechanism" for your two "main sports". A lot of people do think those are the two main boys sports I can see that, I just don't see how track somehow prepares you for either of them really. I think there would be a lot of other things I would invest time in other than track if my kids were interested in the two "main" sports of football or basketball. But that is my opinion. I understand yours as well. We disagree no big deal.

I think the reason schools are either "football" schools or "basketball" schools or "baseball" schools has a lot to do with the investment in the youth years in either of those sports and Varsity level coaching. This is anecdotal evidence but consider this.

Jackson has had a strong youth and middle school football program for 20+ years. The pee-wee program was started by a gentleman that passed away a few years ago by the name of Jim Humphreys. He ran it like the Marine Corps and demanded excellence from coaches, players, and parents. It was consistent in its teachings, fundamentals, and always financed well with equipment and schedules and in the course of those 20+ years probably had 2,000 kids pass through it. The Middle School has had consistency in its staff as well with several coaches being there for years. That fed into the JV and Varsity and those programs are equally stable and supported and Jackson has been very successful with 600+ wins. Coaching consistency with Coach Hall who now is Jackson's all time winning-est coach simply reinforces that every kid knows the routine, accepts that to see the field you are going to have to work hard.

Ten or so years ago a group of dad's, coaches, and administrators who like baseball got together and formed multiple travel ball programs. The first groups graduated last year, but we now have 1-2 travel baseball teams for ages 8 through 14 and I am pretty sure that effort ten or so years ago that has now carried on with different but just as committed dad's/coaches/administrators is one of the reasons we have been successful in baseball. The other major factor is we have had coaching consistency by someone who invests a lot of time into the kids/program over the last 4+ years. Coach McGraw in the last 4 years has probably won 80 ball games, and at current pace could be the winning-est baseball coach in Jackson history.

Which brings me to basketball. Jackson and basketball usually aren't mentioned in the same sentence. But guess what. We now are going to have consistency in the coaching ranks, and to supplement that there is now a dedicated group of dad's/coaches/administrators in the youth program. Jackson has never really had much of a youth program, there just wasn't a lot of interest. But for the last 4-5 years that has changed and from what I can see from 4th grade through middle school we have a lot of kids in leagues, travelling and playing basketball. We went from 1 or 2 wins in the last couple years to almost ten wins and the future looks bright. We should compete in almost all of our games in the next few years and Coach Morrow has the real opportunity to rack up wins and could be down the road the winning-est basketball coach in Jackson history.

Bottom line, stable coaching at the Varsity level and dedicated parents willing to invest their time, support and resources in the youth programs will create success.

So my opinion is Track is not why Logan is not good at baseball. My bet is there is not a lot of youth baseball being played at a competitive level and your coaching staff for baseball may revolve some (no idea on that maybe he has been there 20 years I have no idea). Doubt Track is the culprit though.

[1987chieftains]

Then why does the track power Logan lose to the baseball school Ironmen most years of late in football?

the same reason that Jackson has lost half of there matchs to Logan.

So are we now talking about tennis somehow or do you not know that track has meets...not matches?...or did you mean matchups, which doesn't make any sense either?

I greatly enjoy both track and baseball. No need to degrade either sport..but this is the baseball forum.

never degraded any sport.