Re: Eastern pike has won 20 straight games. How far can they go in the tourney??
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:29 am
I've heard from a couple different people that Eastern may stay in the SOC 1 and will be D4 next year.
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I know for sure they will be DIV next year.EagleNut14 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:29 am I've heard from a couple different people that Eastern may stay in the SOC 1 and will be D4 next year.
Agreed. Next Season will be a struggle, but by playing in a tougher league, and some players getting more time on the varsity level, might prepare them for tournaments.
What does jumping to SOC2 have to do with the Classic. They currently play Western 3 times a year when playing them in the Classic, so the only thing that would change is possibly playing Waverly 3 times, not Western. Will they even schedule Western non conference.greygoose wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:35 pmYeah and I've heard the jump to SOC2 means Eastern doesn't want to participate in the Pike County Holiday Classic and I'm hearing Piketon as well could be out. That's such a good little county tourney I hate to see it go away.
I've never agreed 100% percent with this line of thinking. Yes, playing tougher competition on a consistent basis can make you better and in a sense prepare you for tournament play but trust me, if in the process you get 5-6 more losses and a much lower seed, the benefit of "being prepared" won't do you a lot of good. I will take the higher seed year in and year out over the idea of a more "seasoned" team with a low seed. Seeding matters a lot most of the time.Tartanblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:35 pmI understand that, but in the long run as long as Eastern is a D III team playing in the SOC II will benefit them better in the long run as to being in the SOC I playing DIV teams on a nightly basis other than non conference games. If the Eagles were DIV this year they would be at the convo and predicted to win a district title with this team. Playing a major part of DIV teams could have hurt as playing East and Notre Dame did not help as it would be playing against the bottom teams in the SOC II would have.greygoose wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:53 pmIf it does it won't happen for a while, they lose to much and with the move to SOC2 quite frankly you could see Eastern looking at a 6-8 win season next year.Tartanblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:44 pm I think the move to the SOC II for Eastern will help, especially come tournament time playing schools who are D III on a nightly basis.
Typically I would agree.... but teams like Valley make that argument difficult. Pretty tough schedule in the SOC 2, some tough games out of conference. Then the #10 seed knocks off the #2 seed Eastern Brown, who came from a weaker conference.HumbleObserver wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:26 pmI've never agreed 100% percent with this line of thinking. Yes, playing tougher competition on a consistent basis can make you better and in a sense prepare you for tournament play but trust me, if in the process you get 5-6 more losses and a much lower seed, the benefit of "being prepared" won't do you a lot of good. I will take the higher seed year in and year out over the idea of a more "seasoned" team with a low seed. Seeding matters a lot most of the time.Tartanblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:35 pmI understand that, but in the long run as long as Eastern is a D III team playing in the SOC II will benefit them better in the long run as to being in the SOC I playing DIV teams on a nightly basis other than non conference games. If the Eagles were DIV this year they would be at the convo and predicted to win a district title with this team. Playing a major part of DIV teams could have hurt as playing East and Notre Dame did not help as it would be playing against the bottom teams in the SOC II would have.
I would also throw in creating one big sectional.bbjunky81 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:54 pmTypically I would agree.... but teams like Valley make that argument difficult. Pretty tough schedule in the SOC 2, some tough games out of conference. Then the #10 seed knocks off the #2 seed Eastern Brown, who came from a weaker conference.HumbleObserver wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:26 pmI've never agreed 100% percent with this line of thinking. Yes, playing tougher competition on a consistent basis can make you better and in a sense prepare you for tournament play but trust me, if in the process you get 5-6 more losses and a much lower seed, the benefit of "being prepared" won't do you a lot of good. I will take the higher seed year in and year out over the idea of a more "seasoned" team with a low seed. Seeding matters a lot most of the time.Tartanblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:35 pm
I understand that, but in the long run as long as Eastern is a D III team playing in the SOC II will benefit them better in the long run as to being in the SOC I playing DIV teams on a nightly basis other than non conference games. If the Eagles were DIV this year they would be at the convo and predicted to win a district title with this team. Playing a major part of DIV teams could have hurt as playing East and Notre Dame did not help as it would be playing against the bottom teams in the SOC II would have.
South Webster in D4 is another one that always comes to mind.
Ironton in D3 now is proving that difficult schedule's can help prepare them. Besides being in the OVC they play a VERY tough out of conference schedule. They're easily the 2nd best team in D3 in SE Ohio but got the 5 seed. Look what they just did to the 4 seed.
Really though, it just depends. Basketball is a game of matchups. Some teams matchup great with one team, but matchup poorly with another. Chesapeake was a bad matchup for Eastern Pike, but I think Pike would have matched up much better with Alexander/Fairland. So who knows!
Should have happened years ago!!!
OSU Alumni 2000 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:05 pmI would also throw in creating one big sectional.bbjunky81 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:54 pmTypically I would agree.... but teams like Valley make that argument difficult. Pretty tough schedule in the SOC 2, some tough games out of conference. Then the #10 seed knocks off the #2 seed Eastern Brown, who came from a weaker conference.HumbleObserver wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:26 pm
I've never agreed 100% percent with this line of thinking. Yes, playing tougher competition on a consistent basis can make you better and in a sense prepare you for tournament play but trust me, if in the process you get 5-6 more losses and a much lower seed, the benefit of "being prepared" won't do you a lot of good. I will take the higher seed year in and year out over the idea of a more "seasoned" team with a low seed. Seeding matters a lot most of the time.
South Webster in D4 is another one that always comes to mind.
Ironton in D3 now is proving that difficult schedule's can help prepare them. Besides being in the OVC they play a VERY tough out of conference schedule. They're easily the 2nd best team in D3 in SE Ohio but got the 5 seed. Look what they just did to the 4 seed.
Really though, it just depends. Basketball is a game of matchups. Some teams matchup great with one team, but matchup poorly with another. Chesapeake was a bad matchup for Eastern Pike, but I think Pike would have matched up much better with Alexander/Fairland. So who knows!
That would also give those teams who play a tough schedule and end a season with 5 or 6 losses potentially not getting matched up with a 1 or 2 seed. I hate seeing some of the weaker teams make it to the Convo because one sectional is a lot weaker than the other. Then you have mismatched district games which normally result in blowouts. Unless your Southeastern 2 years ago.
There are teams now driving over an hour or better now. Waverly and Jackson are not too far apart from one another. 20 min or so.
Oh I agree with you, but have been told by multiple ppl within the program they don't want to play Waverly 3 times. The piketon thing caught me off guard though that they may possibly be out as well. We'll see though 10 months away on that tourney.smurray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:22 pmWhat does jumping to SOC2 have to do with the Classic. They currently play Western 3 times a year when playing them in the Classic, so the only thing that would change is possibly playing Waverly 3 times, not Western. Will they even schedule Western non conference.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, as I said, it "can" prepare you. I am talking about year in and year out beating your head against a wall of playing higher seeds. Yes, South Webster is an example because they are an SOC II school playing DIV 4 in tournaments but that's rare. As we know, it's not the school's decision what division they are because it's based on the numbers of boys/girls. So you can always find examples. I actually think your best point was something I forgot to mention and that is MATCHUPS! And sometimes you just play a team at the wrong time. I've seen teams make it deep (District Finals for example) that weren't that good but got hot at the right time. I think we forget about that variable as well. Are you playing your best when it matters most.bbjunky81 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:54 pmTypically I would agree.... but teams like Valley make that argument difficult. Pretty tough schedule in the SOC 2, some tough games out of conference. Then the #10 seed knocks off the #2 seed Eastern Brown, who came from a weaker conference.HumbleObserver wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:26 pmI've never agreed 100% percent with this line of thinking. Yes, playing tougher competition on a consistent basis can make you better and in a sense prepare you for tournament play but trust me, if in the process you get 5-6 more losses and a much lower seed, the benefit of "being prepared" won't do you a lot of good. I will take the higher seed year in and year out over the idea of a more "seasoned" team with a low seed. Seeding matters a lot most of the time.Tartanblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:35 pm
I understand that, but in the long run as long as Eastern is a D III team playing in the SOC II will benefit them better in the long run as to being in the SOC I playing DIV teams on a nightly basis other than non conference games. If the Eagles were DIV this year they would be at the convo and predicted to win a district title with this team. Playing a major part of DIV teams could have hurt as playing East and Notre Dame did not help as it would be playing against the bottom teams in the SOC II would have.
South Webster in D4 is another one that always comes to mind.
Ironton in D3 now is proving that difficult schedule's can help prepare them. Besides being in the OVC they play a VERY tough out of conference schedule. They're easily the 2nd best team in D3 in SE Ohio but got the 5 seed. Look what they just did to the 4 seed.
Really though, it just depends. Basketball is a game of matchups. Some teams matchup great with one team, but matchup poorly with another. Chesapeake was a bad matchup for Eastern Pike, but I think Pike would have matched up much better with Alexander/Fairland. So who knows!
They may go back to SOC 1 but it's already been put out there for the 2019 season. I have t heard anyone say anything about staying SOC1 but I seen numbers and does look like they will drop to D4 next yearEagleNut14 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:29 am I've heard from a couple different people that Eastern may stay in the SOC 1 and will be D4 next year.
Now they'll be DIV next yearTartanblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:35 pmI understand that, but in the long run as long as Eastern is a D III team playing in the SOC II will benefit them better in the long run as to being in the SOC I playing DIV teams on a nightly basis other than non conference games. If the Eagles were DIV this year they would be at the convo and predicted to win a district title with this team. Playing a major part of DIV teams could have hurt as playing East and Notre Dame did not help as it would be playing against the bottom teams in the SOC II would have.greygoose wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:53 pmIf it does it won't happen for a while, they lose to much and with the move to SOC2 quite frankly you could see Eastern looking at a 6-8 win season next year.Tartanblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:44 pm I think the move to the SOC II for Eastern will help, especially come tournament time playing schools who are D III on a nightly basis.
This entire line of thinking is a joke. Eastern and Western have had to play 3 times before I believe (we all thought 4 times this season). This would be a big mistake in my opinion and I don't have any dog in the fight. But, using possibly playing 3 times as an excuse is no excuse at all when it has been that way the entire time with Eastern and Western both in the classic.greygoose wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:51 pmOh I agree with you, but have been told by multiple ppl within the program they don't want to play Waverly 3 times. The piketon thing caught me off guard though that they may possibly be out as well. We'll see though 10 months away on that tourney.smurray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:22 pmWhat does jumping to SOC2 have to do with the Classic. They currently play Western 3 times a year when playing them in the Classic, so the only thing that would change is possibly playing Waverly 3 times, not Western. Will they even schedule Western non conference.