Ironton and Marion Local coaching staffs collab

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The key is to CHANGE the culture. To condition kids to NOT BE SATISFIED.

The ironton/Burg mantra of "at least we made the playoffs look how many schools didnt." Does NOT cultivate kids who outkick their coverage.

That said, Idk how you begin to cultivate that culture when mom and dad either work at Walmart or are in rehab. Smh. Kids need examples of the result of aspiring beyond limitations. It's a sad reality and I still love people back home in seo and really wish better for them.

No doubt culture is important, but culture can be built and other factors matter more including coach. Here are some examples to that:

- ML is surrounded by other schools all of which have, as we would describe it, the right culture. And ML has historically had a good football program, but they had zero state titles before coach Goodwin came took over. Their program before him would have been considered inferior to Burg or IHS. Now, he has the record for most state titles at 13.

- Kirtland had zero playoff wins before Tiger became coach. Their program was far inferior to Burg and IHS. Since he took over, the program did a complete 180.

- Burg program was awful before Miller took over. Losing seasons were extremely common. In 1971, the year before Miller took over, Burg was 5-5. From 1972-1979, under Miller, Burg only lost 5 games total over 8 seasons!!!!

- Brian White, a player for Ed Miller, lead D1 Hilliard Davidson to 5 regional titles and two state titles using Ed Miller’s style of play. Hilliard wasn’t that good before him and has been a mess since he retired. And Hilliard is not a dying area overrun by crime and poverty.

- Burg baseball had been solid for some time with a state title under Brandon. Also lots of talent going through the programs. However, when Estep took over, Burg went to a different level winning back to back state titles and 5 regional titles. Burg has not won a regional title since Estep stepped down.

- Burg softball, before Ruby, was good but not great. Definitely not the dominating program in the area. Since Ruby, Burg has won 6 regional titles and 3 state championships.


In the cases of Kirtland, Marion Local, and Hilliard Davidson, it was the coaches that made their programs dominant. And in Hilliard’s case, their dominance came by using the same methods Ed Miller used for decades!

As for Burg, their football, softball, and baseball programs became what they were due to coaching. Ed Miller took over an average program and made them the 4th winningest program in Ohio. Estep took a good baseball program and made it better despite not having the same talent as before. And Ruby turned Burg softball into a state power regardless of size.


So what do all of these success stories above have in common? What is the one factor that lead to their success?

need a leader

[Tri_State79]

The key is to CHANGE the culture. To condition kids to NOT BE SATISFIED.

The ironton/Burg mantra of "at least we made the playoffs look how many schools didnt." Does NOT cultivate kids who outkick their coverage.

That said, Idk how you begin to cultivate that culture when mom and dad either work at Walmart or are in rehab. Smh. Kids need examples of the result of aspiring beyond limitations. It's a sad reality and I still love people back home in seo and really wish better for them.

No doubt culture is important, but culture can be built and other factors matter more including coach. Here are some examples to that:

- ML is surrounded by other schools all of which have, as we would describe it, the right culture. And ML has historically had a good football program, but they had zero state titles before coach Goodwin came took over. Their program before him would have been considered inferior to Burg or IHS. Now, he has the record for most state titles at 13.

- Kirtland had zero playoff wins before Tiger became coach. Their program was far inferior to Burg and IHS. Since he took over, the program did a complete 180.

- Burg program was awful before Miller took over. Losing seasons were extremely common. In 1971, the year before Miller took over, Burg was 5-5. From 1972-1979, under Miller, Burg only lost 5 games total over 8 seasons!!!!

- Brian White, a player for Ed Miller, lead D1 Hilliard Davidson to 5 regional titles and two state titles using Ed Miller’s style of play. Hilliard wasn’t that good before him and has been a mess since he retired. And Hilliard is not a dying area overrun by crime and poverty.

- Burg baseball had been solid for some time with a state title under Brandon. Also lots of talent going through the programs. However, when Estep took over, Burg went to a different level winning back to back state titles and 5 regional titles. Burg has not won a regional title since Estep stepped down.

- Burg softball, before Ruby, was good but not great. Definitely not the dominating program in the area. Since Ruby, Burg has won 6 regional titles and 3 state championships.


In the cases of Kirtland, Marion Local, and Hilliard Davidson, it was the coaches that made their programs dominant. And in Hilliard’s case, their dominance came by using the same methods Ed Miller used for decades!

As for Burg, their football, softball, and baseball programs became what they were due to coaching. Ed Miller took over an average program and made them the 4th winningest program in Ohio. Estep took a good baseball program and made it better despite not having the same talent as before. And Ruby turned Burg softball into a state power regardless of size.


So what do all of these success stories above have in common? What is the one factor that lead to their success?

I agree 100%

[Tri_State79]

That said, Idk how you begin to cultivate that culture when mom and dad either work at Walmart or are in rehab. Smh. Kids need examples of the result of aspiring beyond limitations. It's a sad reality and I still love people back home in seo and really wish better for them.

No doubt culture is important, but culture can be built and other factors matter more including coach. Here are some examples to that:

- ML is surrounded by other schools all of which have, as we would describe it, the right culture. And ML has historically had a good football program, but they had zero state titles before coach Goodwin came took over. Their program before him would have been considered inferior to Burg or IHS. Now, he has the record for most state titles at 13.

- Kirtland had zero playoff wins before Tiger became coach. Their program was far inferior to Burg and IHS. Since he took over, the program did a complete 180.

- Burg program was awful before Miller took over. Losing seasons were extremely common. In 1971, the year before Miller took over, Burg was 5-5. From 1972-1979, under Miller, Burg only lost 5 games total over 8 seasons!!!!

- Brian White, a player for Ed Miller, lead D1 Hilliard Davidson to 5 regional titles and two state titles using Ed Miller’s style of play. Hilliard wasn’t that good before him and has been a mess since he retired. And Hilliard is not a dying area overrun by crime and poverty.

- Burg baseball had been solid for some time with a state title under Brandon. Also lots of talent going through the programs. However, when Estep took over, Burg went to a different level winning back to back state titles and 5 regional titles. Burg has not won a regional title since Estep stepped down.

- Burg softball, before Ruby, was good but not great. Definitely not the dominating program in the area. Since Ruby, Burg has won 6 regional titles and 3 state championships.


In the cases of Kirtland, Marion Local, and Hilliard Davidson, it was the coaches that made their programs dominant. And in Hilliard’s case, their dominance came by using the same methods Ed Miller used for decades!

As for Burg, their football, softball, and baseball programs became what they were due to coaching. Ed Miller took over an average program and made them the 4th winningest program in Ohio. Estep took a good baseball program and made it better despite not having the same talent as before. And Ruby turned Burg softball into a state power regardless of size.


So what do all of these success stories above have in common? What is the one factor that lead to their success?

need a leader

Not just a leader but a community that buys in and ALLOWS their kid to be PUSHED and scrutinized. "At least we made it look how many didnt" should NEVER be something uttered again. It's BULLSHIT. YOU FAILED to meet the your goal. Stop glossing over and making excuses for coming up short. There is NO shame in failure. The only shame is when your community shield their youth from being ACCOUNTABLE for their failure.

Making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ITS NOT JUST FOOTBALL. THIS is a life lesson.

[Tri_State79]

No doubt culture is important, but culture can be built and other factors matter more including coach. Here are some examples to that:

- ML is surrounded by other schools all of which have, as we would describe it, the right culture. And ML has historically had a good football program, but they had zero state titles before coach Goodwin came took over. Their program before him would have been considered inferior to Burg or IHS. Now, he has the record for most state titles at 13.

- Kirtland had zero playoff wins before Tiger became coach. Their program was far inferior to Burg and IHS. Since he took over, the program did a complete 180.

- Burg program was awful before Miller took over. Losing seasons were extremely common. In 1971, the year before Miller took over, Burg was 5-5. From 1972-1979, under Miller, Burg only lost 5 games total over 8 seasons!!!!

- Brian White, a player for Ed Miller, lead D1 Hilliard Davidson to 5 regional titles and two state titles using Ed Miller’s style of play. Hilliard wasn’t that good before him and has been a mess since he retired. And Hilliard is not a dying area overrun by crime and poverty.

- Burg baseball had been solid for some time with a state title under Brandon. Also lots of talent going through the programs. However, when Estep took over, Burg went to a different level winning back to back state titles and 5 regional titles. Burg has not won a regional title since Estep stepped down.

- Burg softball, before Ruby, was good but not great. Definitely not the dominating program in the area. Since Ruby, Burg has won 6 regional titles and 3 state championships.


In the cases of Kirtland, Marion Local, and Hilliard Davidson, it was the coaches that made their programs dominant. And in Hilliard’s case, their dominance came by using the same methods Ed Miller used for decades!

As for Burg, their football, softball, and baseball programs became what they were due to coaching. Ed Miller took over an average program and made them the 4th winningest program in Ohio. Estep took a good baseball program and made it better despite not having the same talent as before. And Ruby turned Burg softball into a state power regardless of size.


So what do all of these success stories above have in common? What is the one factor that lead to their success?

need a leader

Not just a leader but a community that buys in and ALLOWS their kid to be PUSHED and scrutinized. "At least we made it look how many didnt" should NEVER be something uttered again. It's BULLSHIT. YOU FAILED to meet the your goal. Stop glossing over and making excuses for coming up short. There is NO shame in failure. The only shame is when your community shield their youth from being ACCOUNTABLE for their failure.

Making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ITS NOT JUST FOOTBALL. THIS is a life lesson.

The idea is to build and prepare our kids NOW for expectations without a shield. The only way to do it, is to apply it. Academics and sports.

[Tri_State79]

need a leader

Not just a leader but a community that buys in and ALLOWS their kid to be PUSHED and scrutinized. "At least we made it look how many didnt" should NEVER be something uttered again. It's BULLSHIT. YOU FAILED to meet the your goal. Stop glossing over and making excuses for coming up short. There is NO shame in failure. The only shame is when your community shield their youth from being ACCOUNTABLE for their failure.

Making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ITS NOT JUST FOOTBALL. THIS is a life lesson.

The idea is to build and prepare our kids NOW for expectations without a shield. The only way to do it, is to apply it. Academics and sports.

I wouldn't want to coach in seo. I don't think my philosophy would translate with parents based on what I observe. And I'm not one to care about feelings. I don't care how the parents feel. I don't care how the fanbase feels. My commitment is to PREPARING young men for success. The end. Not tomorrow. Today. And when a kid can't reach the grapes I refuse to bullshit that kid about how they were probably sour anyways.

No. Those grapes were beautiful and delicious and you missed them. Go get em. There's no comfort or consolation. Go get them or fail. The end.

[RBH23]

No doubt culture is important, but culture can be built and other factors matter more including coach. Here are some examples to that:

- ML is surrounded by other schools all of which have, as we would describe it, the right culture. And ML has historically had a good football program, but they had zero state titles before coach Goodwin came took over. Their program before him would have been considered inferior to Burg or IHS. Now, he has the record for most state titles at 13.

- Kirtland had zero playoff wins before Tiger became coach. Their program was far inferior to Burg and IHS. Since he took over, the program did a complete 180.

- Burg program was awful before Miller took over. Losing seasons were extremely common. In 1971, the year before Miller took over, Burg was 5-5. From 1972-1979, under Miller, Burg only lost 5 games total over 8 seasons!!!!

- Brian White, a player for Ed Miller, lead D1 Hilliard Davidson to 5 regional titles and two state titles using Ed Miller’s style of play. Hilliard wasn’t that good before him and has been a mess since he retired. And Hilliard is not a dying area overrun by crime and poverty.

- Burg baseball had been solid for some time with a state title under Brandon. Also lots of talent going through the programs. However, when Estep took over, Burg went to a different level winning back to back state titles and 5 regional titles. Burg has not won a regional title since Estep stepped down.

- Burg softball, before Ruby, was good but not great. Definitely not the dominating program in the area. Since Ruby, Burg has won 6 regional titles and 3 state championships.


In the cases of Kirtland, Marion Local, and Hilliard Davidson, it was the coaches that made their programs dominant. And in Hilliard’s case, their dominance came by using the same methods Ed Miller used for decades!

As for Burg, their football, softball, and baseball programs became what they were due to coaching. Ed Miller took over an average program and made them the 4th winningest program in Ohio. Estep took a good baseball program and made it better despite not having the same talent as before. And Ruby turned Burg softball into a state power regardless of size.


So what do all of these success stories above have in common? What is the one factor that lead to their success?

need a leader

Not just a leader but a community that buys in and ALLOWS their kid to be PUSHED and scrutinized. "At least we made it look how many didnt" should NEVER be something uttered again. It's BULLSHIT. YOU FAILED to meet the your goal. Stop glossing over and making excuses for coming up short. There is NO shame in failure. The only shame is when your community shield their youth from being ACCOUNTABLE for their failure.

Making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ITS NOT JUST FOOTBALL. THIS is a life lesson.

Speaking for Burg only, how can they have a culture of accountability and push in the community with regards to softball but not football? Does Burg culture of excellence only show up in the spring?

[Baldeagle]

Not just a leader but a community that buys in and ALLOWS their kid to be PUSHED and scrutinized. "At least we made it look how many didnt" should NEVER be something uttered again. It's BULLSHIT. YOU FAILED to meet the your goal. Stop glossing over and making excuses for coming up short. There is NO shame in failure. The only shame is when your community shield their youth from being ACCOUNTABLE for their failure.

Making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ITS NOT JUST FOOTBALL. THIS is a life lesson.

The idea is to build and prepare our kids NOW for expectations without a shield. The only way to do it, is to apply it. Academics and sports.

I wouldn't want to coach in seo. I don't think my philosophy would translate with parents based on what I observe. And I'm not one to care about feelings. I don't care how the parents feel. I don't care how the fanbase feels. My commitment is to PREPARING young men for success. The end. Not tomorrow. Today. And when a kid can't reach the grapes I refuse to bullshit that kid about how they were probably sour anyways.

No. Those grapes were beautiful and delicious and you missed them. Go get em. There's no comfort or consolation. Go get them or fail. The end.

More yikkity yak and jibber jab. Follow your own advice and man up and take a coaching job. Quit making excuses. Dont sing it, bring it. Or are you still h ung up on how everyone in SEO looks slow on film.

[TomUnessa]

Not just a leader but a community that buys in and ALLOWS their kid to be PUSHED and scrutinized. "At least we made it look how many didnt" should NEVER be something uttered again. It's BULLSHIT. YOU FAILED to meet the your goal. Stop glossing over and making excuses for coming up short. There is NO shame in failure. The only shame is when your community shield their youth from being ACCOUNTABLE for their failure.

Making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ITS NOT JUST FOOTBALL. THIS is a life lesson.

The idea is to build and prepare our kids NOW for expectations without a shield. The only way to do it, is to apply it. Academics and sports.

I wouldn't want to coach in seo. I don't think my philosophy would translate with parents based on what I observe. And I'm not one to care about feelings. I don't care how the parents feel. I don't care how the fanbase feels. My commitment is to PREPARING young men for success. The end. Not tomorrow. Today. And when a kid can't reach the grapes I refuse to bullshit that kid about how they were probably sour anyways.

No. Those grapes were beautiful and delicious and you missed them. Go get em. There's no comfort or consolation. Go get them or fail. The end.

You got a point. But If you believe things like “at least we made it and look how many didn’t” should never be uttered again and “making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH” then wouldn’t you agree that for teams such as Ironton and Wheelersburg that any thing less than a State Championship VICTORY is a failed season? Basically State Championship or Bust.

And if this the attitude you have, and we as fans should also have and the code we as fans should live by…….Then there should no longer be a need to argue amongst fans of these 2 teams on things such as- state championship appearances/runners up, regional championships or runners up, regional appearances, playoff appearances, playoff wins/losses etc etc. Because anything less then a state championship VICTORY is irrelevant according to these standards Am I correct or did I completely misunderstand what you are trying to say?

If I understood you right, then this would definitely cut back on some of the repetitive statements and back and forth arguments on this forum between Ironton and Wheelersburg.

[Baldeagle]

He just crowing
That what he do
When it’s time to nut up and put his mouth into action
He hides

It’s easy to spew that crap when he ain’t hit the nads to do anything

[fbnut]

He just crowing
That what he do
When it’s time to nut up and put his mouth into action
He hides

It’s easy to spew that crap when he ain’t hit the nads to do anything

He’s a joke and everyone on the board knows it. No one takes him seriously

[TigerBob]

Foe button. Stop replying. Every new account just add him.

[Tri_State79]

The idea is to build and prepare our kids NOW for expectations without a shield. The only way to do it, is to apply it. Academics and sports.

I wouldn't want to coach in seo. I don't think my philosophy would translate with parents based on what I observe. And I'm not one to care about feelings. I don't care how the parents feel. I don't care how the fanbase feels. My commitment is to PREPARING young men for success. The end. Not tomorrow. Today. And when a kid can't reach the grapes I refuse to bullshit that kid about how they were probably sour anyways.

No. Those grapes were beautiful and delicious and you missed them. Go get em. There's no comfort or consolation. Go get them or fail. The end.

You got a point. But If you believe things like “at least we made it and look how many didn’t” should never be uttered again and “making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH” then wouldn’t you agree that for teams such as Ironton and Wheelersburg that any thing less than a State Championship VICTORY is a failed season? Basically State Championship or Bust.

And if this the attitude you have, and we as fans should also have and the code we as fans should live by…….Then there should no longer be a need to argue amongst fans of these 2 teams on things such as- state championship appearances/runners up, regional championships or runners up, regional appearances, playoff appearances, playoff wins/losses etc etc. Because anything less then a state championship VICTORY is irrelevant according to these standards Am I correct or did I completely misunderstand what you are trying to say?

If I understood you right, then this would definitely cut back on some of the repetitive statements and back and forth arguments on this forum between Ironton and Wheelersburg.

I agree

[Tri_State79]

Foe button. Stop replying. Every new account just add him.

The example of the seo cry baby culture.

#runneruplife

[Tri_State79]

The idea is to build and prepare our kids NOW for expectations without a shield. The only way to do it, is to apply it. Academics and sports.

I wouldn't want to coach in seo. I don't think my philosophy would translate with parents based on what I observe. And I'm not one to care about feelings. I don't care how the parents feel. I don't care how the fanbase feels. My commitment is to PREPARING young men for success. The end. Not tomorrow. Today. And when a kid can't reach the grapes I refuse to bullshit that kid about how they were probably sour anyways.

No. Those grapes were beautiful and delicious and you missed them. Go get em. There's no comfort or consolation. Go get them or fail. The end.

More yikkity yak and jibber jab. Follow your own advice and man up and take a coaching job. Quit making excuses. Dont sing it, bring it. Or are you still h ung up on how everyone in SEO looks slow on film.

Southeast Ohio Cry baby culture

[Tri_State79]

need a leader

Not just a leader but a community that buys in and ALLOWS their kid to be PUSHED and scrutinized. "At least we made it look how many didnt" should NEVER be something uttered again. It's BULLSHIT. YOU FAILED to meet the your goal. Stop glossing over and making excuses for coming up short. There is NO shame in failure. The only shame is when your community shield their youth from being ACCOUNTABLE for their failure.

Making it IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ITS NOT JUST FOOTBALL. THIS is a life lesson.

Speaking for Burg only, how can they have a culture of accountability and push in the community with regards to softball but not football? Does Burg culture of excellence only show up in the spring?

Very good question. This guy' would be my co HC. Lol. He gets it.

[TigerBob]

So I can see goofball replied. Guessing it’s:

Another Billy Bob with ya belly over ya belt. Exactly why seo is soft and always loses to teams up north #soft

[fbnut]

So I can see goofball replied. Guessing it’s:

Another Billy Bob with ya belly over ya belt. Exactly why seo is soft and always loses to teams up north #soft

Couldn’t tell you
I no longer see his posts

[TigerBob]

Seo is the softest, most redneck area full of losers. Which makes me want to post about it all day long!

[TomUnessa]

Seo is the softest, most redneck area full of losers. Which makes me want to post about it all day long!

Ya Bunch of “pop” drinkin , “sauce” eaten, “driven slow In the passing lane”, Old Milwaukee lovin, Hallmark writin, Gatlinburg/Myrtle Beach vacationing, Lynyrd Skynyrd listenin, Billy Bob hillbillies lol.
Lol I’m pretty much describing myself with the exception of Old Milwaukee(I’m more of a Yeungling fan) and Lynyrd Skynyrd(definitely Metallica).
Honestly I’ve seen some really good football over the years in Southern Ohio. No shame

[fielddaddy]

Seo is the softest, most redneck area full of losers. Which makes me want to post about it all day long!

And your a idiot to say that period.
SEO football is spread out not ever child can play sports travel has a lot to do with it.
You have Bald eagle being foolish about how great their div 7 was and yet didn't make it to the state game.
YOU have others taking how much they know and how bad other teams are but yet they don't win.
SE Ohio sports are great at what they do and how they win and anyone who says different are simply fools