2018 Portsmouth Trojans Football Outlook

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Re: Portsmouth Football Coach

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There are people who want to "clean house" but those people have to remember that in a small city like Portsmouth, that utopic mentality is not that realistic. A football staff has probably 6-8 coaches, and there are exceptions, especially at bigger schools, but is it realistic to replace those 6-8 coaches with 6-8 quality hires? Coaches need jobs other than just coaching, and if they are currently employed locally, can their job meet the time demands of a coaching position? For those coaches who aren't employed locally, and are teachers, can the school system fit them in? Many questions need to be answered before the desire to "clean house" can come to fruition.


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trojandave wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:04 pm There are people who want to "clean house" but those people have to remember that in a small city like Portsmouth, that utopic mentality is not that realistic. A football staff has probably 6-8 coaches, and there are exceptions, especially at bigger schools, but is it realistic to replace those 6-8 coaches with 6-8 quality hires? Coaches need jobs other than just coaching, and if they are currently employed locally, can their job meet the time demands of a coaching position? For those coaches who aren't employed locally, and are teachers, can the school system fit them in? Many questions need to be answered before the desire to "clean house" can come to fruition.

Ur right about a lot of things u are saying. Cleaning house isn’t what they need because to much into that but cleaning up the top spot from out of house and bring in new offense game plan. Let the head man hire who he wants if it’s somebody wanting to come with him or picking around here. I believe u got to get somebody that don’t know anybody and bring something different to the table. One thing they need is experience at the HC spot, somebody that’s coached not played but coached a lot of difference between great person, good football player than a man that’s been on that sideline


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Re: Portsmouth Football Coach

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I hate when people say you need to hire a coach with HC experience. How do you think those people became head coaches. They all at one time were coaches with little to no experience. What you do is hire the best candidate that’s a proven winner. They can find out enough about someone online now days. There was an article about Pendleton a couple years ago when I was following his days at Michigan State that Mark Dantonio said he was the smartest football mind on the team. Then I see he and his brother help at west this year and they instantly get better. That’s how you find out if someone would make a great head coach. The interview process will tell you a lot. I’ve personally never spoke to the guy other than to say congratulations on his career. But everything I’ve seen indicates he would be a great hire to lead our program. Along with maybe someone like Tom kaskey.


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Kaskey would be a phenomenal hire! Not sure he'd be interested though, he's in a great spot where he's at.

There's actually several good young coaches that would be great - Kaskey, Pendleton's etc... but none seem to be interested. That just goes to show you what kind of mess Portsmouth football is in and the reputation it has as a potential job.


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TOUGH wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:18 pm I hate when people say you need to hire a coach with HC experience. How do you think those people became head coaches. They all at one time were coaches with little to no experience. What you do is hire the best candidate that’s a proven winner. They can find out enough about someone online now days. There was an article about Pendleton a couple years ago when I was following his days at Michigan State that Mark Dantonio said he was the smartest football mind on the team. Then I see he and his brother help at west this year and they instantly get better. That’s how you find out if someone would make a great head coach. The interview process will tell you a lot. I’ve personally never spoke to the guy other than to say congratulations on his career. But everything I’ve seen indicates he would be a great hire to lead our program. Along with maybe someone like Tom kaskey.

U say hire with no experience? That’s crazy! Just because some kids help doesn’t mean anything. Putting everything on ur shoulders is different than just helping with no pressure. Also knowing what to call and when to call it, plays, timeouts etc! To be a coach u start low and work ur way up to be the man. It seems to me the way this program is it’s going to take somebody that’s been there and done that. Just because u played football, read a book on football or played Xbox isn’t being there on the sidelines with everybody looking at u for the answers. I’ve seen many guys get hired with no experience just to bomb out. Portsmouth can do what they want and we will see how it goes.
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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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Jared Pendleton is son-in-law of Clifford so would have the connections at Portsmouth if he's interested. Doesn't matter who they hire though until they get the lower levels straightened out. Real good numbers and talent but a whole bunch of coaches interested in their own agendas (thus the Trojans/Soldiers split). The new coach should encourage the school to go the Wheelersburg model at pee wee level and getting out of the county pee wee league altogether. Doubt it'd happen though as coaches/parents seem to have pee wee super bowl fever.*


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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Westfan wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:11 am
TOUGH wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:33 am I’ve heard from a reliable source there is some mutual interest in Pendleton. I heard a lot of Portsmouth kids are training with him this off season and they want him as the coach. Someone of his pedigree could change this program. Let’s face it, Portsmouth had better athletes than the all of the teams they played this year. From an athletic standpoint, Portsmouth isn’t lacking as much as people think. Where they lack is conditioning, toughness, pride. Those things can be fixed with the right hire.
West is working on some stuff right now that will greatly improve our facilities and athletic training programs. Jared and Trevon are heavily involved in it. They aren't going anywhere
I was told that Jared bought land in Wheelersburg?


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I agree I think Josh is the only one ready but he has got to get rid of the offensive coaches and bring someone new in. The only other one I'd keep is Cadogen for the line. The friend bs has to go.


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Rumor is Friday we find out. Announcing Duncan left and new guy. Also been told Duncan's brother left as well.


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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tobehonest wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:51 pm
Westfan wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:11 am
TOUGH wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:33 am I’ve heard from a reliable source there is some mutual interest in Pendleton. I heard a lot of Portsmouth kids are training with him this off season and they want him as the coach. Someone of his pedigree could change this program. Let’s face it, Portsmouth had better athletes than the all of the teams they played this year. From an athletic standpoint, Portsmouth isn’t lacking as much as people think. Where they lack is conditioning, toughness, pride. Those things can be fixed with the right hire.
West is working on some stuff right now that will greatly improve our facilities and athletic training programs. Jared and Trevon are heavily involved in it. They aren't going anywhere
I was told that Jared bought land in Wheelersburg?
Don't know about that. I know he likes being here.

What Portsmouth needs to think is say Trevon Pendelton, Tom Kaskey, etc would take the job and a couple years later West or Wheelersburg come open again, Portsmouth will be starting over again.

I think they should hire Cadogan. He's from there and can relate to the players. Portsmouth is a long way from being competitive. They have to build.


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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TOUGH wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:40 am If they ever want to be a head coach and run their own program they are going to have to leave. Coach Johnson was just a recent hire and is a young guy himself. I heard he bought a house and moved down here permanently. Sounds like he’s here to stay. Nothing would surprise me with our job. I think we can offer a coach a lot more than most think. We have one of the highest supplemental contracts for coaches in the area. We also have the best facilities in the area besides Jackson. Between stadium, locker room and weight room our setup is that of a small college. I also know we pay a lot more assistants than many of the teams in the area. Heck, we had like 13 coaches on sidelines this past season. Plus the administration has started going to the younger generation for coaches. Look at the recent hires of other varsity coaches. I think this would be the perfect hire. Hopefully Portsmouth goes after him. West already has their coach in Johnson
13 coaches???? How many did you have the team this year, heck that's what 3-4 kids per coach to work with. Obvious the number of coaches on the sidelines doesn't mean anything.


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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art_vandelay wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:04 pm Jared Pendleton is son-in-law of Clifford so would have the connections at Portsmouth if he's interested. Doesn't matter who they hire though until they get the lower levels straightened out. Real good numbers and talent but a whole bunch of coaches interested in their own agendas (thus the Trojans/Soldiers split). The new coach should encourage the school to go the Wheelersburg model at pee wee level and getting out of the county pee wee league altogether. Doubt it'd happen though as coaches/parents seem to have pee wee super bowl fever.*

Burg was in the pee wee league as the Outlaws. They just folded a few years back


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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Thoughts are,from my reading here, is that over the years you have all these friends and players coaching there. One gets canned or quits and then another one of group gets picked. So the new Coach doesn’t see that all the friends and players might be problem and keeps them all or some and it’s a cycle that keeps on perpetuating itself. How do you tell your buddies or friends that you don’t want them on staff and still be friends with them. So they just keep the cycle going and if people hiring at some point don’t try and break the friend cycle or the group cycle , things stay the same. Point is ,why keep doing same pattern with same results. Seen this in a few districts but eventually as people retire and you get fresh faces in key positions things change and you look back and say why wasn’t this done years ago.


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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It will be an insides hire for the Trojans.

I know one guy who could have probably convinced Parker to stay, though. LOL


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Inside hire.


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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madpolecat wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:34 am It will be an insides hire for the Trojans.

I know one guy who could have probably convinced Parker to stay, though. LOL
You don’t hire a coach because of one or 2 players are threatening to leave or stay. Parker and Boehm could both play great and they still won't win 3 games next year. They have to build and it's gonna be a long process


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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14U wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:52 am
art_vandelay wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:04 pm Jared Pendleton is son-in-law of Clifford so would have the connections at Portsmouth if he's interested. Doesn't matter who they hire though until they get the lower levels straightened out. Real good numbers and talent but a whole bunch of coaches interested in their own agendas (thus the Trojans/Soldiers split). The new coach should encourage the school to go the Wheelersburg model at pee wee level and getting out of the county pee wee league altogether. Doubt it'd happen though as coaches/parents seem to have pee wee super bowl fever.*

Burg was in the pee wee league as the Outlaws. They just folded a few years back
I am pretty sure the Outlaws only existed for 2-3 years. The Burg 5/6th grade program has existed for a long time and does not allow parents to coach and I believe that may have been the reason this team formed for a couple years, but wasn't able to last. Rogue teams like that usually have their own agendas as mentioned above and are not sustainable.


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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14U wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:52 am
art_vandelay wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:04 pm Jared Pendleton is son-in-law of Clifford so would have the connections at Portsmouth if he's interested. Doesn't matter who they hire though until they get the lower levels straightened out. Real good numbers and talent but a whole bunch of coaches interested in their own agendas (thus the Trojans/Soldiers split). The new coach should encourage the school to go the Wheelersburg model at pee wee level and getting out of the county pee wee league altogether. Doubt it'd happen though as coaches/parents seem to have pee wee super bowl fever.*

Burg was in the pee wee league as the Outlaws. They just folded a few years back
That wasn’t a school affiliated team. That was a”travel” team started by parents.


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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#1 this job hasn't even been posted!
#2 I talked to a close friend of their family and he said neither of them has been approached at this point. didn't say whether they would be interested


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Re: Who will take over in Portsmouth

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cadogen is not the man for the job he might be a nice guy and played at penn st. but can you honestly say the offensive line has gotten any better after his hire , no way if anything it"s as bad as iv"e ever seen or worse they need to get rid of everyone on down to the water boy


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