Watered down playoffs

[yabbadabbadoo]

WOW!!!! Just went and checked some of the regions and there is a lot of teams with 6-5, 5-5 and even a few 4-6 records that made the playoffs.


Garfield Heights Trinity made it in DIV VII with a 4-6 record and the 4 teams they beat didn't have a winning record.


Going to be a TON of first round blowouts with some teams having to travel 2.5-3 hours to just get it handed to them.


Great job once again by the OH$AA for wanting to add another divisions. Some of these teams shouldn't be playing in these games.

[seasick80]

Reg 17 may be the worst this year. But there are suprises every year LOL. Never know!

[jagered]

I have been complaining about it for 2 weeks what was going to happen and it did bad teams and schools fans driving for hours to lose by 40 or 50. Just seems like every year they tweak here or their and I also believe that not to far from now our playoffs will be like kentuckys because it makes kids feel better about themselves so all schools get in.

[ohbuckeye2]

1 - (9-1) Team didn't make the Playoffs

...........D3 - New Richmond......9th in Region

4 - (8-2) Teams didn't make the Playoffs

...........D2 - Bowsher..............11th in Region
...........D2 - Olentangy............11th in Region
...........D3 - Norton................12th in Region
...........D4 - Fairview..............10th in Region

1- (7-2) Team didn't make the Playoffs

...........D6 - Fayetteville...........9th in Region

28 - (7-3) Teams didn't make the Playoffs

............D1 - Lebanon..................17th in Region

............D2 - Walsh Jesuit..............9th in Region
............D2 - Hamilton Township......9th in Region
............D2 - Sylvania Southview......10th in Region
............D2 - Ashland...................10th in Region
............D2 - North Olmstead..........10th in Region
............D2 - Garfield Heights.........11th in Region
............D2 - Walnut Ridge............13th in Region
............D2 - Midview..................14th in Region

............D3 - Granville.................9th in Region
............D3 - Celina....................10th in Region

............D4 - Clearfork.................9th in Region
............D4 - Carlisle...................9th in Region
............D4 - Upper Sandusky.........10th in Region
............D4 - Eaton.....................10th in Region
............D4 - Minford..................11th in Region
............D4 - Keystone.................11th in Region
............D4 - Highland.................12th in Region
............D4 - Meadowbrooke..........12th in Region
............D4 - Meigs.....................13th in Region

............D5 - Liberty Center...........9th in Region
............D5 - South Point..............10th in Region
............D5 - Pleasant..................11th in Region
............D5 - Western Reserve........12th in Region
............D5 - Norwayne.................13th in Region

............D6 - Carey.....................9th in Region
............D6 - Springfield...............10th in Region
............D6 - Ayersville................12th in Region


All Teams in D7 that were 7-3 or better made the Playoffs

[superblue]

I agree its watered down, but don't put all the blame on OHSAA... When they basically split D-1 and dropped about half of those schools into D-2, and then added another division this lead to some regions being watered down.... A majority of the fans thought this was a great idea because they felt there team would move down a division and have a better shot at play-off success... How did that work out? If you think its watered down now wait till they move the privates into a separate division and you will really see the meaning of "Watered Down".... Every year there are teams that make it in with 5-5 and 6-4 records, been years when a 4-6 team has also made it. These teams are usually eliminated early, but this year teams with those kind of records seem to be more plentiful... IMO most schools are not looking for a fair way to manage the play-offs, they are looking for a way that best benefits them.

[91blue14]

its been watered down since it expanded to 8

[chiefs]

Teams know what they have to do to reach playoffs, that simple. Fayetteville in D6 was a school that played a horrendous schedule and lost to two of the three legitimate teams they played. Didn't South Point play a weak schedule also?

Can't blame the "watering down" on the smallest of the small, it's because of the biggest of the big.

[bman]

I'm going to differ slightly that it isn't much more watered down than the past. In the old setup, Division IV, Region 15 was a weaker region. Most of those teams went to Division V, Region 17 and it played out the same this year. There may be a couple more mediocre teams in, but not many more than the past. There are some legit teams staying at home, like Hamilton Township. The Rangers played Worthington Kilbourne and Licking Heights in the non-league, two D2 playoff teams and lost close games to both, and then won a share of the tough MSL-Buckeye, but just missed getting in.

We can fix regions like 17 by adjusting the alignment a bit and put a few more tougher teams in.

[chiefs]

Hamilton missed in part to the fact Northland only played nine games this year; if the Vikings would've played ten games this year I think they miss.

[bman]

Good point.

[nice guy]

It is all about OHSAA. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Zane Trace did not beat a team with a winning record. Westfall and ZT, who both went 5-5, won only games within their league.
I agree with bman. It is the old Region 15. Zane Trace would have got in last year at 4-6, if Bloom-Carroll had not beat Hamilton Township the last game.

[bman]

I would be in favor of a system where the top six teams in each region make the playoffs, with the final eight slots for each division determined by highest number of computer points of the teams remaining. Only problem with that is travel.

[bman]

I could see the Hartley-ZT game being 49-0 at halftime. Hopefully ZT just runs the ball every down and keeps the clock going. I would think that game would be very poorly attended by both sides. Parents and a few die hards.

[nice guy]

D5 strength of schedule.
Hartley #3 out of 108 teams
Zane Trace #95 out of 108 teams

Overall schdule:
Hartley #65 out of 716 teams
Zane Trace #622 out of 716 teams

[Paladin]

You are about to witness the weeding out of SEO teams in the tournament that don't belong. Many better teams are sitting home today that would butt kick many teams down there. The computer system only recognizes pts. for the size of the school that you beat and the pts your defeated opponents beats . Has nothing to do with how tough someone is or how good they are. Glenville gets pts for beating some awful Cleveland City League teams ( and they then beat each other) but Glenville is a monster on the field with most people in the state. On the other hand, some SEO teams got into the playoffs on points who will get steamrolled by lopsided scores. Never say the best teams got in. The ones who get in got more points. How "tough" they are is about to be revealed.

P.S. -- ZT will get murdered by 60 ( unless they call the dogs off to rest for the next game with a win assured)

[questionmark]

And some times teams like the Giants finish 9-7 and go on to win the Super Bowl...yes this is an NFL team but it happens at every level other than the horrendous BCS System...

This system is what it is...so many big schools forced the OHSAA to divide the D1's into 2 Division creating a new D7 Division...
I might be the only person who actually likes having 7 Divisions. It adds a flexibility to scheduling where you could add one smaller school to a schedule who is a good program, or local rival and it doesn't kill you now that most schools dropped a lower Division than last year. I also like that some teams will get their first experience of the Play-Offs in the history of their respected schools. Yes, some will get blown out, but how they prepare to get back to the play-offs and try to build there better program will be the key...

[Paladin]

This is exactly why the system was expanded to 8 teams per region . Coaches knew better teams were sitting home than got into the tournament. Its also why #8 seeds wipe the field with some #1 seeds. The system is all about pts. , not how tough you are or how good you are. DeSales never got in and would wipe the field with most of SEO. There are dozens of teams up North who didn't get in who would murder many of the tournament teams. Each division has a favorite team or two . Some may have 3 or 4. But many who are in couldn't beat others who didn't get in and often beat the tournament team during the regular season . The system is about Pts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Some schools got in on a great accomplishment . Others got lucky. Still others played weak teams who also played weak teams to get lots of points. They are about to be embarrassed and exposed. Watch. It happens every year under the system in place.

[questionmark]

Paladin, this system is built on points. How do you fix it?

The NFL system is built on Wins, yet it has problems as well.

The Seahawks got into the Play-Offs at 7-9 a few years back and got to host a play-off game because they won their Division.

Again, have no problem with 8 teams getting in from each Region out of 26-28 teams. These are High School teams, with High School athletes and to experience the Play-Off may be the best thing some of these kids accomplish on or off the field.

NFL allows 6 out of 16 to get in each Conference. So 8 out of 26-28 is fine...

[purpleblood1]

This system had nothing to do with anything other than a way for OHSAA to make more money. It has nothing to do with what is right for the kids of Ohio.

[noles_fan]

This is exactly why the system was expanded to 8 teams per region . Coaches knew better teams were sitting home than got into the tournament. Its also why #8 seeds wipe the field with some #1 seeds. The system is all about pts. , not how tough you are or how good you are. DeSales never got in and would wipe the field with most of SEO. There are dozens of teams up North who didn't get in who would murder many of the tournament teams. Each division has a favorite team or two . Some may have 3 or 4. But many who are in couldn't beat others who didn't get in and often beat the tournament team during the regular season . The system is about Pts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Some schools got in on a great accomplishment . Others got lucky. Still others played weak teams who also played weak teams to get lots of points. They are about to be embarrassed and exposed. Watch. It happens every year under the system in place.

Well since De Sales is a D3 school and most of SEO is D4 and smaller you are probably right. There are 3 schools in D3 from SOE in above them Athens, Chillicothe and Logan Elm. Could they beat these teams maybe but wipe the field with them Doubtful.