Playoffs and the OVC

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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by 14U » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:25 pm

Westfan wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:15 pm
Head to head records of SOC versus OVC has been posted here. SOC is a consistently much better in football.
Where is the SOC vs OVC, record? Bad?



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by 14U » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:27 pm

I always said they needed a SOC vs OVC challenge in football and basketball.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by Westfan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:28 pm

MrFirstTake wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:20 pm
Yeah and I feel like Chesapeake and Fairland are just more of basketball than football schools.. Chesapeake has been to the playoffs a few times don’t know how many times they have went past round 1 tho
Agree. D5 D6 schools generally struggle to have the numbers to be good at everything and most OVC schools concentrate on basketball

Ironton got good quick because alot of players moved in. Will that always happen?



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by BuckeyeBlood » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:04 pm

I think you have to look at the size of the leagues. There are 8 OVC teams Ironton, Gallia, Portsmouth, Fairland, Chesapeake, Coal Grove, Rock Hill, South Point. There are 6 SOC2 teams Burg, Minford, Waverly, Valley, West, Oak Hill. So of course you play your whole league, so OVC 7 games with 3 out of league games, compared to SOC2 5 league games and 5 out of league games. You’re always going to play your rivals. So for Example Portsmouth & West will always play. So that basically can be considered a conference game, meaning Portsmouth has 2 non conference games left, and West still has 4. West can afford to schedule up a few non conference games, like Raceland who’s typically solid, a few middle of the pack teams Wellston and Coal Grove. Then a bad team Kipp. Portsmouth schedules Valley who’s typically solid, and a bad RV team. So it all comes down to would Portsmouth be willing to give up that easy win against RV to possibly get some big points in a game they are probably going to lose, or at least have the chance to? I doubt it. So to me the advantage the SOC has is that they get a few extra non conference games to possibly gain more points compared to the OVC where you have to play the South Points and Rock Hills. Obviously there’s a lot more that goes into it, but to me this is and will continue to be the difference.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by Westfan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:44 pm

It goes both ways. If you're using West as an example. They are typically solid to good and that makes it at times difficult to get games because average team as you say don't want another loss. And seasons like we had this year, it would've been nice to have played another lower tier team to get some experience and a winnable game.

And the reason West played Kipp was Fairland and South Point dropped them leaving West scrambling for a game.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by portsmouth_98 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:56 pm

OVC vs SOC 2
2000 : SOC 2 = 5-1
2001 : SOC 2 = 5-2
2002 : SOC 2 = 4-1
2003 : OVC 3-1 regular season
Burg over Chesapeake 40-16 in regional quarterfinals
2004 : SOC 2 : 2-1
2005 : SOC 2 : 3-0
2006 : SOC 2 : 5-2
2007 : SOC 2 : 6-4
2008 : SOC 2 : 10-2
2009 : SOC 2 : 10-2
2010 : SOC 2 : 11-0
2011 : SOC 2 : 11-0
2012 : SOC 2 : 8-1 regular season
Valley over Coal Grove 41-16 in regional quarterfinals
2013: SOC 2 : 8-2 regular season
Burg over Fairland 40-21 in regional quarterfinals
2014 : SOC 2 : 10-1
2015 : SOC 2 : 6-2 regular season
Burg over Ironton 38-7 in regional quarterfinals
Valley over Chesapeake 23-0 in regional quarterfinals
2016 : Tied : 5-5
2017 : SOC 2 : 6-2
2018 : SOC 2 : 5-2
2019 : SOC 2 : 6-5
Waverly over Gallia 40-0 in regional quarters



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by scott1297 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:11 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:32 pm
That’s the good thing about the OVC. Even if it’s a down year for the league, three teams make the playoffs
The playoffs are watered down I think it should go back to the way it was when only 4 teams made the playoffs from each region


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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by scott1297 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 pm

portsmouth_98 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:56 pm
OVC vs SOC 2
2000 : SOC 2 = 5-1
2001 : SOC 2 = 5-2
2002 : SOC 2 = 4-1
2003 : OVC 3-1 regular season
Burg over Chesapeake 40-16 in regional quarterfinals
2004 : SOC 2 : 2-1
2005 : SOC 2 : 3-0
2006 : SOC 2 : 5-2
2007 : SOC 2 : 6-4
2008 : SOC 2 : 10-2
2009 : SOC 2 : 10-2
2010 : SOC 2 : 11-0
2011 : SOC 2 : 11-0
2012 : SOC 2 : 8-1 regular season
Valley over Coal Grove 41-16 in regional quarterfinals
2013: SOC 2 : 8-2 regular season
Burg over Fairland 40-21 in regional quarterfinals
2014 : SOC 2 : 10-1
2015 : SOC 2 : 6-2 regular season
Burg over Ironton 38-7 in regional quarterfinals
Valley over Chesapeake 23-0 in regional quarterfinals
2016 : Tied : 5-5
2017 : SOC 2 : 6-2
2018 : SOC 2 : 5-2
2019 : SOC 2 : 6-5
Waverly over Gallia 40-0 in regional quarters
SOC ll is a lot stronger from top to bottom and always will be


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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by Dundas » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:36 pm

Ironton
Jackson
Portsmouth
Gallia
Chillicothe
Athens
Logan
Point Pleasant

Now that would be a loaded football conference.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by portsmouth_98 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:56 pm

At some point it would be better for all involved to have football only conferences. That way you could have these dream conferences without worrying about kids traveling 2 hours on a school night in other sports.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by Beergogglebluez » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:03 pm

scott1297 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:11 pm
Raider6309 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:32 pm
That’s the good thing about the OVC. Even if it’s a down year for the league, three teams make the playoffs
The playoffs are watered down I think it should go back to the way it was when only 4 teams made the playoffs from each region
There proposing to try and get it to 12 teams a region. They will really water it down.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by mattash » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:21 pm

I like the OVC the way it is.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by REDMEN95 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:35 pm

If Portsmouth wanted to strengthen their non conference schedule maybe they shouldn’t have dropped Wheelersburg 🤭 :lol:



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by scott1297 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:43 pm

REDMEN95 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:35 pm
If Portsmouth wanted to strengthen their non conference schedule maybe they shouldn’t have dropped Wheelersburg 🤭 :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by BuckeyeBlood » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:16 pm

REDMEN95 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:35 pm
If Portsmouth wanted to strengthen their non conference schedule maybe they shouldn’t have dropped Wheelersburg 🤭 :lol:
Maybe the OVC will let them drop Rock Hill and replace them with Burg...or well anyone else really. Beating Rock Hill and not getting any secondary points or losing to Burg...basically the same thing without seeing those yahoos on top of that Hill.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by portsmouth_98 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:53 pm

scott1297 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:43 pm
REDMEN95 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:35 pm
If Portsmouth wanted to strengthen their non conference schedule maybe they shouldn’t have dropped Wheelersburg 🤭 :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm sure Burg misses the competition and Harbin points they were getting from beating 1 to 3 win Portsmouth teams every year. They are all about strengthening their schedules and were probably about to drop us anyway.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by 91blue14 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:28 am

its just a different version of the tvc hocking



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by Larry Fine » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:35 am

portsmouth_98 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:53 pm
scott1297 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:43 pm
REDMEN95 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:35 pm
If Portsmouth wanted to strengthen their non conference schedule maybe they shouldn’t have dropped Wheelersburg 🤭 :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm sure Burg misses the competition and Harbin points they were getting from beating 1 to 3 win Portsmouth teams every year. They are all about strengthening their schedules and were probably about to drop us anyway.
Burg didn’t like the beatdowns they got from Ironton , Bishop Hartley and Jackson . They’ll drop those teams soon as they can.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by Giorgio Tsoukalous » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:59 am

Trojan_FB_Alum wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:57 pm
What I’m hearing
1. Totally agree with changes to the pee wee systems max kids involved. I wish Portsmouth would play in an all Portsmouth league at Pee wee level. Or at least go back to 3 or 4 all Portsmouth teams like we used too.

2. A lot seem to comment that there is success in other sports around the league, and I agree. I also think this is a basketball first league. I’m just wanting to see an improvement across the board I’m football.

3. Greenup county although they normally do not win a lot of games, is a good point game for Portsmouth with being an out of state that would be a D3 in Ohio.

4. West and Portsmouth is a pretty even series, In fact they are 5-5 in the last 10 meetings.

5. Although Portsmouth has ran up against very good teams the last few years, going 8-2 or 9-1 as gallia was should earn you a better spot in the post season if you have any strength to the schedule at all.

Waverly a D 4 school playing in a mostly D5 league still got a home game and beat up on the OVCs Gallia, why? Strength of schedule, SOC opponents Minford and Burg gave them good point opportunities and made them more battle tested, then the strength of a non schedule win vs Amanda Clearcreek.
We all need to strengthen non league schedule, and somehow figure out how to compete with them.
What is the difference in our D5, schools and the SOCs D5 schools. Burg excluded( who Ironton seems to be closing the gap on) but why are minford and West of the world( I know down year) more competitive in the post season then the OVC?

I feel that Waverly did a good job of scheduling good non league competition in D3 Athens and D3 Unioto also. I believe those non league games helped better prepare D4 Waverly for playoff competition.



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Re: Playoffs and the OVC

Post by 14U » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:24 am

portsmouth_98 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:56 pm
OVC vs SOC 2
2000 : SOC 2 = 5-1
2001 : SOC 2 = 5-2
2002 : SOC 2 = 4-1
2003 : OVC 3-1 regular season
Burg over Chesapeake 40-16 in regional quarterfinals
2004 : SOC 2 : 2-1
2005 : SOC 2 : 3-0
2006 : SOC 2 : 5-2
2007 : SOC 2 : 6-4
2008 : SOC 2 : 10-2
2009 : SOC 2 : 10-2
2010 : SOC 2 : 11-0
2011 : SOC 2 : 11-0
2012 : SOC 2 : 8-1 regular season
Valley over Coal Grove 41-16 in regional quarterfinals
2013: SOC 2 : 8-2 regular season
Burg over Fairland 40-21 in regional quarterfinals
2014 : SOC 2 : 10-1
2015 : SOC 2 : 6-2 regular season
Burg over Ironton 38-7 in regional quarterfinals
Valley over Chesapeake 23-0 in regional quarterfinals
2016 : Tied : 5-5
2017 : SOC 2 : 6-2
2018 : SOC 2 : 5-2
2019 : SOC 2 : 6-5
Waverly over Gallia 40-0 in regional quarters
Looks like the last 5 years close and better than any other years. The playoffs look bad. I don’t know who played who in last 5 year but closing the gap.



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