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How did Meigs play bad?
Because they barely beat the lowly Jackson Ironmen! And it's probably because they aren't allowed to take soda into the gym last night!!
It's that $2 parking on top of the hill that gets teams out of sorts!
Nice jab that had nothing to do with anything.


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ma77ox wrote:I would say shooting only 29% was meaning there shots weren't falling...Our highest scorer was 15 points by Jerad Kennedy. Sheets, Lilly nor Musser was on last night. Wasn't anything about the Jackson Defense stopping them, they were getting the shots put up, just not falling at all. Don't see where that has to be explained.

Like I said, Jackson isn't a bad team at all, The Freshman kid can play. They will be a good ball club in the next few years.

Oh and I took my soda in the gym, actually took one I brought with me from the drive down.
Disagree. How many shots did Sheets put up? I know I sat there in the stands and on numerous occasions caught myself saying "nice defense".....what was Meigs 3 point % in the first half? I think Jackson had 4 steals in about 6 possessions in the 2nd half.

The freshman is good....what about the sophomore with 20?

Our shots didn't fall either as Cooper's potentially tying 3 point attempt went all the way in and out.


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ChiLoBBall wrote:All of the "differences of opinions" when it comes to the talent of teams is quite interesting to read. I have been a silent reader of these posts for several years, of which I have developed some rather unique opinions. One, apparently defense has become a thing of the past as no one seems to see or speak of the importance of this other side of the game. (If a team scores two points and defensively shuts their opponents out they still book a win, Not saying that scoring does not matter but defense is just as much a part of the game as offense), and two, there are some individuals who form opinions about teams based on their own biased beliefs (hometown/school) and not on factual data (statistics) or through visually watching these boys play. Come on, you have to form opinions on real play and statistics, not because of your love for the team or because they have one player who shines night after night (give that one his kudos and move on).

This brings me to Unioto hosting Westfall this Friday December 18 since there is so much controversy. The gym will be packed as this has been the most talked about game in Southeastern Ohio for the past few weeks so.......... anyone going to watch may consider being there by halftime of the Freshman game if they want seats. However, let’s let the statistics talk for a minute.

Westfall:
Average PPG- 66.5 (they can shoot)
Average PPG Allowed- 53 (scorer’s battles?)
4 Players have hit double figures in game(s)
10 Players transition into games (some names never hit the stat boards/game recaps)
Can they take the pressure of the Sherman’s defense? (Question to be answered at the conclusion of Friday’s game) They have not played a fast paced, in your face defense yet.

Unioto-
Average PPG- 72.833 (they can shoot too)
Average PPG Allowed- 36.5 (defensive threat?)
8 Players have hit double figures in game(s)
10 Players transition into games (9 have hit the stat board/game recaps) (11th man on roster has not played due to transfer rules)
Can they continue to play lights out? (Again, question to be answered at the conclusion of Friday’s game) They have done so for 6 straight games.

I will leave it up to you to form your own opinions

Food for thought………. In My Opinion-
Lutz is the best all-around PURE SHOOTER in the area (feel free to agree or agree to disagree, watching him shoot is an experience in and of itself)

Second to Lutz are Thomas of Adena, Wyman of Westfall, and the Kennedy/Cottrill kids at Unioto (PPG may not reflect high points scored every night but being on a team where anyone can score doubles and is not selfish contributes to this)

Unioto is the overall most BALANCED and DEFENSIVELY sound team in the area (that I have seen and heard of) (no one clearly out shining anyone and they play their roles)

Swingle is a beast as far as size and has a beautiful jump shot, Not as physical in the paint as you would expect a kid of his size. He needs some conditioning in order to run for 32 minutes. Being D1 scouted but is not D1 ready. (coach, we know he is your only BIG but a 30 second water break may due him some good)

I can continue with MULTIPLE GREAT players and their contributions to their teams and the sport of hoops, but just want to get some thoughts stirring and throw some opinions out there. It is now time for me to go back into hiding but before I do….. Thank you Pfloyd for starting the conversations that I enjoy reading every day!
Thanks ChiLoBBall ... good factual post with lots of Napkin Stats - perfect ... I can agree to disagree with anyone (except 93bulldog maybe LOL) IF arguments are backed up with "just the facts" ... thanks for the positive input in taking this argument down the road toward the BIG Friday collision at Unioto ... as far as Griffin Lutz imo - he is one of if not the best "scorer" around - in the games I've seen he didn't show me the ability to be a perimeter scoring threat - he has room for improvement outside the 3 point line ... on equal footing getting HIS shot at the rim or in the paint AND with a better perimeter shot (that I have seen in 3 games) is Tristan Bartoe (junior pg for Vinton County) ... BOTH can play on my TEAM on game day LOL ...


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Ironman92 wrote:
ma77ox wrote:I would say shooting only 29% was meaning there shots weren't falling...Our highest scorer was 15 points by Jerad Kennedy. Sheets, Lilly nor Musser was on last night. Wasn't anything about the Jackson Defense stopping them, they were getting the shots put up, just not falling at all. Don't see where that has to be explained.

Like I said, Jackson isn't a bad team at all, The Freshman kid can play. They will be a good ball club in the next few years.

Oh and I took my soda in the gym, actually took one I brought with me from the drive down.
Disagree. How many shots did Sheets put up? I know I sat there in the stands and on numerous occasions caught myself saying "nice defense".....what was Meigs 3 point % in the first half? I think Jackson had 4 steals in about 6 possessions in the 2nd half.

The freshman is good....what about the sophomore with 20?

Our shots didn't fall either as Cooper's potentially tying 3 point attempt went all the way in and out.
You haven't seen Sheets play very often then, because he always shoots like that and they go in.

I was thinking the #24 with the 20 points was the Freshman

And on the tying attempts there was a lot of pressure putting up what 4 shots in 10.2 seconds?

You just must still be butthurt from us beating you in baseball (yeah that was my son that beat you) HaHa

Nowhere have I said Jackson was bad, there is no point on you coming and trying to convince me, fact is I don't care how good or bad they are, you aren't in our TVC, I don't follow you guys. The defense wasn't anything special, 5 games we averaged over 70 points...It wasn't your defense that stopped us from putting up those point, if anything it was your stalled offense. And our bad shooting for the night.


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ma77ox wrote:
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ma77ox wrote:I would say shooting only 29% was meaning there shots weren't falling...Our highest scorer was 15 points by Jerad Kennedy. Sheets, Lilly nor Musser was on last night. Wasn't anything about the Jackson Defense stopping them, they were getting the shots put up, just not falling at all. Don't see where that has to be explained.

Like I said, Jackson isn't a bad team at all, The Freshman kid can play. They will be a good ball club in the next few years.

Oh and I took my soda in the gym, actually took one I brought with me from the drive down.
Disagree. How many shots did Sheets put up? I know I sat there in the stands and on numerous occasions caught myself saying "nice defense".....what was Meigs 3 point % in the first half? I think Jackson had 4 steals in about 6 possessions in the 2nd half.

The freshman is good....what about the sophomore with 20?

Our shots didn't fall either as Cooper's potentially tying 3 point attempt went all the way in and out.
You haven't seen Sheets play very often then, because he always shoots like that and they go in.

I was thinking the #24 with the 20 points was the Freshman

And on the tying attempts there was a lot of pressure putting up what 4 shots in 10.2 seconds?

You just must still be butthurt from us beating you in baseball (yeah that was my son that beat you) HaHa

Nowhere have I said Jackson was bad, there is no point on you coming and trying to convince me, fact is I don't care how good or bad they are, you aren't in our TVC, I don't follow you guys. The defense wasn't anything special, 5 games we averaged over 70 points...It wasn't your defense that stopped us from putting up those point, if anything it was your stalled offense. And our bad shooting for the night.
I don't have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about. I asked you how many shots he took, because it didn't seem like he took that many for a kid that scores like he has this season. What was his shooting % and what was Meigs % from 3 land in the first half?

Congrats to your son I guess and nice off-topic humble brag. Hopefully my son's team gets to face Meigs in the future...in basketball.


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Ironman92 wrote:
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Disagree. How many shots did Sheets put up? I know I sat there in the stands and on numerous occasions caught myself saying "nice defense".....what was Meigs 3 point % in the first half? I think Jackson had 4 steals in about 6 possessions in the 2nd half.

The freshman is good....what about the sophomore with 20?

Our shots didn't fall either as Cooper's potentially tying 3 point attempt went all the way in and out.
You haven't seen Sheets play very often then, because he always shoots like that and they go in.

I was thinking the #24 with the 20 points was the Freshman

And on the tying attempts there was a lot of pressure putting up what 4 shots in 10.2 seconds?

You just must still be butthurt from us beating you in baseball (yeah that was my son that beat you) HaHa

Nowhere have I said Jackson was bad, there is no point on you coming and trying to convince me, fact is I don't care how good or bad they are, you aren't in our TVC, I don't follow you guys. The defense wasn't anything special, 5 games we averaged over 70 points...It wasn't your defense that stopped us from putting up those point, if anything it was your stalled offense. And our bad shooting for the night.
I don't have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about. I asked you how many shots he took, because it didn't seem like he took that many for a kid that scores like he has this season. What was his shooting % and what was Meigs % from 3 land in the first half?

Congrats to your son I guess and nice off-topic humble brag. Hopefully my son's team gets to face Meigs in the future...in basketball.
Not gonna sit here and keep discussing this, not the appropriate thread, this is for the Elite 8, Not about Jackson/Meigs....No idea of the % on sheets himself, he took many shots, and not sure of % in first half...If I'm not mistaken I think we were like 19% for 3 point land for the whole game.

And yes humble about my son is like Jackson is humble and arrogant in every sport. Just haven't been great at basketball as of late, and for like the 3rd time, Jackson will be a huge factor in the next few years. You all are a huge school, you should be excellent in all sports.


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In defense of Griff, he did have his worst game of the season versus VC when you watched him, Floyd. He came back at the Big E classic and drained three trey's and is shooting 57% from the field for the season. 57% and averaging 33 points per game. Crazy to have that high of FG% and still be scoring that many points.


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Waterford at 35?!


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Pride comes before the fall


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I think Waterford at 35 is fine. They haven't got to the best part of their schedule it is early. When they have to play belpre (if bedgood is back), Fort Frye, and Trimble all in a week will tell a lot about this team.


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I will be very surprised if Westfall can keep it competitive with Unioto.


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Wffan wrote:
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danicalifornia wrote:Unioto averages about 7 less possessions a game so far and only 2 ppg than a year ago. So, they are playing with a slower tempo and with way more efficiency. 4 starters averaging between 11 and 13 ppg while only one player takes more than 7 shots per game (and that's only 9 for that player)

Playing great defense, rebounding extremely well, and sharing the ball makes them an incredibly difficult team to matchup with, especially considering that the only 2 players under 6'1 are ballhawks off the bench.

There's a chance they can get beat on any given night, but a team has to get the game in their tempo and value the ball all night. We'll see if the Mustangs can do it on Friday. Wyman is going to have to have a game like Griffin Lutz did against the Shermans for the Mustangs to get a W, IMO. Hope neither team looks ahead of tonight's game.
Nerd.

Wyman vs Swack - Swack better passer, Wyman better scorer

Mink vs Kennedy - Outside of experience, not close. Kennedy is an absurd shooter and plays great defense.

Anderson vs Cottrill - I like Anderson as a player, so I'll be nice, this isn't close.

Adams vs Hosley - they would never match up in any world. And it's not close

Peart vs Wheeler - one was great in football, one has great footwork in basketball

Bench - Fisher already had a double double, anyone from WF match that?

Unioto plays the game with a chip on their shoulders from being previously insulted and win by 30, only because Wyman is special.

Unioto has the better team. But make sure facts are straight. Kennedy is a very nice player but "absurd scorer"? He is 1-1 ft this year. I will give some credit because a lot of times Im sure the ball gets kicked outside from bigs for threes.

Ppg- Mink ( slightly but again, unioto has more scoring, im sure Kennedys would be more on another team), steals-Mink, assists-Mink, rebounds-Mink, and Im not saying Mink is better but come on...Not close?
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What does the menu of games look like this weekend in Scioto Co. ??? the Pfloyd Tour will be on the river for round #1 of Christmas - what are some of the match-ups in the SOC1 or 2 ???


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Lucasville Valley takes on Portsmouth West tomorrow night @ West, Indians should run away with this one quick and early.


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Looks like the "pfloyd tour" will be in Sciotoville to catch Portsmouth East hosting Portsmouth Clay ... will this one be sold out ? any problem with seating ? are there 3 games (freshmen, JV, Varsity) or just 2 games ( JV/Varsity )? ...

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Dec 22 coach barrick and the eagles play east then dec 28th the eagles.travel to waverly to play the tigers in the pike county tourney.


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pfloyd,
I would suggest getting their early , there is limited seating at ports east, and this one will b packed , my eagles play at east on Tuesday and I know I will b arriving early, u will b watching what promises to b a great game in sciotoville on Friday , a huge soc 1 matchup both are really great teams .... Not sure about a freshman game but I doubt it , I'd say it's just Jv and varsity prolly starting at 6.... Safe travels


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EPN wrote:pfloyd,
I would suggest getting their early , there is limited seating at ports east, and this one will b packed , my eagles play at east on Tuesday and I know I will b arriving early, u will b watching what promises to b a great game in sciotoville on Friday , a huge soc 1 matchup both are really great teams .... Not sure about a freshman game but I doubt it , I'd say it's just Jv and varsity prolly starting at 6.... Safe travels
... Thanks EPN ... I'll make sure I get there early for the JV contest to have a seat for the Varsity matchup ...


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Pfloyd, on Dec. 26th and 27th The Peake are playing in a Holiday Tournament at Newark High School. They will play Westerville North on Sat and depending on the outcome either Toledo Woodward or Newark on Sun.
This will be a real test for The Peake.


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Pfloyd is in the Tartan gymnasium... In the cheap seats ... just watched Clay's varsity do a shoot around ... impressive...


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