Pfloyd's Elite 8 of Southern/SouthEast Ohio - Week #3

[pfloyd]

JS7_22 … I've explained numerous times what goes into the rankings every week - it is work trying to be "fair & balanced" … strength of schedule ALONE "ain't" going to get it done !!! you threw out Porstmouth Notre Dame beating South Gallia - 1 game out of 22 games … Notre Dame's schedule isn't going to get them running up the rankings - they are 1-2 vs the best teams on their schedule -so far losing to East and Peebles (East is middle of the 72 teams) other wins include New Boston/Green/ North Adams … Notre Dame did move up 7 positions with the win while South Gallia dropped 16 positions …

* Portsmouth (the consensus #1 from preseason dropped 2 from #1 to #3 with their 1 loss
* Chillicothe ??? started last week at #7 lost to Minford then beat Porstmouth … dropped to #9
* Minford ??? went from #10 beat #7 Chilli moved to #8 … they play #6 Warren Friday at the Warriordome - I'll be there to see that one …

*** on a side note the "few" games I watch all across Southern/SEO every year has been right around 50+ regular season games add in the post season of sectionals/close to every game each year at the district/regional in the Athens (the 3 Weeks of the Convo) … I DO SEE TEAMS PLAY …

… basketball season is 22 games … strength of schedule, wins/losses, who was beaten/lost to, full strength or injuries, coaches, good or bad concessions … 1 win will not get you in the promised land, 1 loss "ain't" dropping you out either … there aren't many teams who are going to go the season without losing 0,1,2 or 3 games … heck Warren has 2 losses and sit at #6 - they lost to Wheeling Park (West Virginia's #4 team) and Meadowbrook who was 8-1 after beating Warren … Miami Trace has 2 losses on their schedule going into this week - Wilmington !!! - doesn't even count!!! Wilmington beats EVERY team in Southern Southeastern Ohio and maybe all comers in the state no matter the division ,loaded with D1 college level players … in my little mind MT's only loss is to Logan Elm ( yeah that Logan Elm - the one who I have at #15 - great coaches, great program, allowing only 44 ppg defensively while only scoring 45 ppg - that LE) … IF you figure each team plays about 2 games per week on average … that avg of 72 games per week to keep track of w's & losses … 4 weeks in the books about 300 games trying to keep track of who beat/lost to whom & when … fan of the game I am - not an expert of anything … just a cheap seat guy who respects the game, the kids who work at the game they love to play, coaches who put in the time to teach kids the great game of basketball … and I've grown close to many many fine fans of the game here on SEOPs - from ALL over Southern/SEOhio - I call them all friends … fans of the game, coaches, officials, scorekeepers, radio personalities , parents of players, the people who work so we can enjoy Tuesday, Friday and Saturday nights from the Cheap Seats as I call them …

... I do my best to add to this site that is for High School Basketball …providing something other than people bashing one school or another, trashing high school athletes , putting down coaches … I'm proud of the posts that are on the Elite 8 every week - the folks who post ARE true fans of the game! they add great information to the games/teams/ players/coaches we see on game days … info you aren't going to get in a "program" … the people who post to this thread know the game or are looking to learn more about the teams their schools team will be playing, or just want to keep up with the 72 teams in this part of the state …

… JS7_22 so you think the rankings are "a joke" ??? … I'm pretty sure you aren't one of the SEOP people I've run across in a gym in Southern/Southeast Ohio …

[peake71]

Well said pfloyd.

[noreply66]

Well said pfloyd.

2nd this

[SVCFan]

You do a great job, pfloyd. Thank you!

[pfloyd]

… I92, daniC, peake71, noreply66, PuddinFat … the committee of one - me - thanks you … Happy New Year !!!

[bman]

JS7_22 … I've explained numerous times what goes into the rankings every week - it is work trying to be "fair & balanced" … strength of schedule ALONE "ain't" going to get it done !!! you threw out Porstmouth Notre Dame beating South Gallia - 1 game out of 22 games … Notre Dame's schedule isn't going to get them running up the rankings - they are 1-2 vs the best teams on their schedule -so far losing to East and Peebles (East is middle of the 72 teams) other wins include New Boston/Green/ North Adams … Notre Dame did move up 7 positions with the win while South Gallia dropped 16 positions …

* Portsmouth (the consensus #1 from preseason dropped 2 from #1 to #3 with their 1 loss
* Chillicothe ??? started last week at #7 lost to Minford then beat Porstmouth … dropped to #9
* Minford ??? went from #10 beat #7 Chilli moved to #8 … they play #6 Warren Friday at the Warriordome - I'll be there to see that one …

*** on a side note the "few" games I watch all across Southern/SEO every year has been right around 50+ regular season games add in the post season of sectionals/close to every game each year at the district/regional in the Athens (the 3 Weeks of the Convo) … I DO SEE TEAMS PLAY …

… basketball season is 22 games … strength of schedule, wins/losses, who was beaten/lost to, full strength or injuries, coaches, good or bad concessions … 1 win will not get you in the promised land, 1 loss "ain't" dropping you out either … there aren't many teams who are going to go the season without losing 0,1,2 or 3 games … heck Warren has 2 losses and sit at #6 - they lost to Wheeling Park (West Virginia's #4 team) and Meadowbrook who was 8-1 after beating Warren … Miami Trace has 2 losses on their schedule going into this week - Wilmington !!! - doesn't even count!!! Wilmington beats EVERY team in Southern Southeastern Ohio and maybe all comers in the state no matter the division ,loaded with D1 college level players … in my little mind MT's only loss is to Logan Elm ( yeah that Logan Elm - the one who I have at #15 - great coaches, great program, allowing only 44 ppg defensively while only scoring 45 ppg - that LE) … IF you figure each team plays about 2 games per week on average … that avg of 72 games per week to keep track of w's & losses … 4 weeks in the books about 300 games trying to keep track of who beat/lost to whom & when … fan of the game I am - not an expert of anything … just a cheap seat guy who respects the game, the kids who work at the game they love to play, coaches who put in the time to teach kids the great game of basketball … and I've grown close to many many fine fans of the game here on SEOPs - from ALL over Southern/SEOhio - I call them all friends … fans of the game, coaches, officials, scorekeepers, radio personalities , parents of players, the people who work so we can enjoy Tuesday, Friday and Saturday nights from the Cheap Seats as I call them …

... I do my best to add to this site that is for High School Basketball …providing something other than people bashing one school or another, trashing high school athletes , putting down coaches … I'm proud of the posts that are on the Elite 8 every week - the folks who post ARE true fans of the game! they add great information to the games/teams/ players/coaches we see on game days … info you aren't going to get in a "program" … the people who post to this thread know the game or are looking to learn more about the teams their schools team will be playing, or just want to keep up with the 72 teams in this part of the state …

… JS7_22 so you think the rankings are "a joke" ??? … I'm pretty sure you aren't one of the SEOP people I've run across in a gym in Southern/Southeast Ohio …

Pfloyd, you do a fantastic job with your rankings. When you do what I do or do what you do, you will NEVER make everyone happy. Happy New Year!

[pfloyd]

… LOL - I agree bman … we can't ride the fence LOL … have to take a side , trust that you've looked at all of the angles , post 'em … let the teams on the court ultimately decide where they will be ranked … posters have their reasons for not agreeing with where "their" team is ranked - I get that … sometimes even they have to be realistic as a team will probably NOT be ranked any better than the teams they play - schedule … ie. Portsmouth Notre Dame … they have to hope teams like Portsmouth East, Eastern Pike, South Gallia (which they play only once being non-league), Portsmouth Clay maybe Western Pike - these are the BEST teams on the ND schedule - ND has to hope these teams play and beat some good teams in their own non-league schedules in order for ND to move high in the rankings … ND had to replace 6 seniors from last years team - so they were an "untested" commodity to start the season … ND has some young players that are talented Trevon Turner (10), Hattachai Buttayotee (10) to name a couple … if I recall from a post earlier in the season ND has a big sophomore class on the varsity 7-8 players … they will be an even better ball club next season … hard to move up though when playing New Boston, Green, this years Symmes Valley team with a combined 2-16 record all three are on my End Table list …

… I'll keep doing what I do - not to please everyone but to make the season fun for me and hopefully provide good discussion among the masses …

Happy New Year to you as well bman !!!

[js7_22]

That explanation was very much needed for me and a ton of users on here in my opinion. And I appreciate you going into depth on how you do it.

However, I still don't agree with teams dropping 2 spot after suffering a large defeat and watching another team absolutely dominate them making them look even worse... but that is just my opinion. After watching Portsmouth it is clear to see they struggle with a good team that can limit them to only one scorer.

But to go into this elaborate story about Notre Dame is a bit excessive, when all I said was South Gallia is still ways ahead of ND. I didn't say Notre Dame was under ranked at all, I actually agree where they are. I'm saying to have South Gallia as far up as they are after getting beat doesn't seem right, at some point the gap needs to be closed, and I hope it does as the season goes on.

I can see you factor in a lot of things, but it just doesn't seem like they really have the affect on some of the top teams.

Like I said, this is more of an argument that Portsmouth and Minford are in the wrong spots, and less about Notre Dame, not sure why you chose to write so much about them as you can see I barely mentioned them.

[bman]

Rankings are just for fun. Everything is proven on the court on the Road to the Convo.

[Spartan]

You da man Pfloyd!!!!!

[Crab's Brother]

That explanation was very much needed for me and a ton of users on here in my opinion. And I appreciate you going into depth on how you do it.

However, I still don't agree with teams dropping 2 spot after suffering a large defeat and watching another team absolutely dominate them making them look even worse... but that is just my opinion. After watching Portsmouth it is clear to see they struggle with a good team that can limit them to only one scorer.

But to go into this elaborate story about Notre Dame is a bit excessive, when all I said was South Gallia is still ways ahead of ND. I didn't say Notre Dame was under ranked at all, I actually agree where they are. I'm saying to have South Gallia as far up as they are after getting beat doesn't seem right, at some point the gap needs to be closed, and I hope it does as the season goes on.

I can see you factor in a lot of things, but it just doesn't seem like they really have the affect on some of the top teams.

Like I said, this is more of an argument that Portsmouth and Minford are in the wrong spots, and less about Notre Dame, not sure why you chose to write so much about them as you can see I barely mentioned them.

Please feel free to rank all 72 teams in the district on a weekly basis and we will be happy to tell you how wrong you are. :122245

[LetsGoPSU]

I love how he speaks for "a ton of users" Anyone that has been around these boards in the last decade has "a ton" of respect for pfloyd and his knowledge of the areas basketball members

[pfloyd]

PFloyd
Vinton County completely dominated Southeastern tonight. This team is going to be fun to watch over the next couple of years. Bartoe and Jones, both Sophomores, along with Junior Albright, have been lighting up the scoreboard for the young Vikings. Seeing them coming together and playing team ball early this season. Tough schedule this year, looking to see how they end up this season.

skidaddy … I saw the VC vs Alexander game earlier this season - VC will just keep getting better and better … Coach Combs' & Co. had 7 players in the scoring column vs Alex (and on that night Bartoe was scoreless) … VC can score from the perimeter Albright/Jones/Stevens/ Bartoe … the Vikings were 7/11 from downtown … Coach Combs' teams always play good fundamentally sound hoops at both ends … their last win vs a good SVC team in Southeastern shows me they ARE getting better and better each time they hit the hardwood … looking forward to seeing the VC boys again in 2015 …

[pfloyd]

I love how he speaks for "a ton of users" Anyone that has been around these boards in the last decade has "a ton" of respect for pfloyd and his knowledge of the areas basketball members

… thanks LetsGoPSU … ALL is good … anytime a person compares/ranks , in this case 72 teams, the expectation is that people WILL disagree - expectation met … if everyone agreed then ranking the teams would be meaningless because the order would be apparently "obvious" to everyone and anyone … whether I rank teams or someone else does - disagreement is going to happen - expectation met again … good "conversation" IS what I aim for … adding to SEOPs during hoops season is what I aim for … getting information to folks about all 72 teams is what I aim for, meeting fans of the game who I agree with OR disagree with is what I aim for … Personally I love getting to know about the teams in Southern/Southeast Ohio - the teams , the players, the coaches … I truly love the game of high school hoops - and all that comes with it - seeing lots of teams, meeting players & their parents, getting to know the great coaches in SEO Ohio and meeting fans of the game …

…There are many many SEOP posters who add to this sight to make it THE information sight for Southern/Southeast Ohio teams … not just "a few" teams but all teams get notice … I learn something everyday reading the posts on this sight … when daniC posts about the SVC I read it - he KNOWS hoops, he KNOWS the teams … Crab's_brother/beaverlover & others posts about the SOC I read & learn … bman gives us his knowledge on the MSL, SCOL - I learn every time … I92/tribemanicac posts information on teams from Jackson to West of Rte 23 - I read/I learn … trojandave knows hoops, knows the PHS Trojans, teams in the Scioto Valley better than anyone - I learn … 93bulldog IS Mr. TVC, dundas, skidaddy,HawkeyePierce TVC guys - I read/I learn … there are sooo many others I hate to start listing them … bottom line is that I respect their input ! they always back up their disagreement with anything I post with factual info - I read/I learn ...

I respect disagreement ! as long as it is backed up with more than "opinion" - give me facts, numbers …

[anderson2012]

If there was one observation I drew from reading an earlier edition of yours' pfloyd, was how high Logan Elm was ranked despite them having to squeak one out versus Amanda Clearcreek. The Aces aren't that good. I'm not at all trying to insinuate you did a poor job, because you do great jobs and I appreciate your labors, but that makes this average joe sit back and think "if this one of the better teams then SEO basketball is down."

[pfloyd]

If there was one observation I drew from reading an earlier edition of yours' pfloyd, was how high Logan Elm was ranked despite them having to squeak one out versus Amanda Clearcreek. The Aces aren't that good. I'm not at all trying to insinuate you did a poor job, because you do great jobs and I appreciate your labors, but that makes this average joe sit back and think "if this one of the better teams then SEO basketball is down."

… I've seen LE twice (vs Grandview Heights, vs Circleville) both losses for the Braves BOTH could have been "Ws" - but not … out of ALL of the teams I have seen this season Logan Elm is 1 or 2 as far defense goes … offensively Coach Stiverson's crew has struggled coming up with the scorers - Ridge Young is a given but others obviously need to decide they are going to play the role of scorers as well - it will happen …. might not be until next year BUT it will happen - then you will have a team like last years District team … they are ranked at #15 which MAY be a little high right NOW but when I look at the program, the coaching, the D it's hard to drop them on a fast track … most teams have played 6-7 games … there's still 2/3 of the regular season left to play IF Logan Elm struggles they will continue to fall but I don't see them being less than a .500 team and at .500 there will NOT be a team in the Logan Sectional who will want to play them …

… there are teams below LE which are moving up the rankings and the committee of one - me - will have to adjust the rankings accordingly :

VC
Lynchburg Clay
Fairland
Valley

… while Adena, Paint Valley need to gets some key "W's" to hold serve …

[npeifer]

pfloyd,

While I don't always agree with the rankings I am thankful for all of your hard work that gives us good information on all of the teams and allows us to debate and disagree. Just wanted to say that you are much appreciated by many on here!

Neal

[anderson2012]

Thanks for the brevity and explanation in your reply, pfloyd. Basketball is so crazy this year and there's so much flux it's really anyone's game on any night. I'm sure by February that Coach Stiverson's squad will have their seat at the table for D2, but of course they're step behind their front foot when it comes to offense as of right now.

[bman]

Pfloyd. will you be at the Dawg Pound on Tuesday night for 6-2 Circleville against 5-3 Bloom-Carroll?

[bman]

I'd probably have Logan Elm lower than what pfloyd has them now, but when you've done what Logan Elm has done over the last decade, that earns a lot of respect. Logan Elm will continue to improve as we move through the rest of the regular season and towards tournament draw time. I look for a potential Vinton County-Logan Elm matchup at the 4/5, with the winner facing either Warren or Athens.