2018 Division Breakdowns

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Post by burgpirater » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:53 pm

am I reading this right? Wellington, Harvest Prep, Afrocentric, Newark catholic all coming to d3? doesnt sound good for my pirates. sounds like a good time to be in d4 though thats crazy



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burgpirater wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:53 pm
am I reading this right? Wellington, Harvest Prep, Afrocentric, Newark catholic all coming to d3? doesnt sound good for my pirates. sounds like a good time to be in d4 though thats crazy
I follow Southeast Ohio a little but I have connections in Central Ohio, specifically around some D3 and D4 schools, so I tend to follow them a little closer than most. You are spot on about things about to get intense in D3. D4 was impossible to navigate for smaller schools, but that seems to have shifted to D3 with the new CB in place. Here are some noteworthy changes in the Central District (D4 is 127 and below):

- Centerburg (19-8 last year) is squeaking into to D4 with 126.
- Poor East Knox who only won a few games last year got bumped to D3 by hitting the minimum of 128.
- Typically powerful D4 private schools jumping to D3 are Africentric (152), Wellington (157), Newark Catholic (131), and Harvest Prep (193 with a whopping 120 CB addition).

After a quick check, no school in the state jumps two divisions. Harvest Prep has to be the closest at going from the 13th smallest Central District school last year based on enrollment, to now the 36th smallest simply by adding to Competitive Balance multiplier. HP went from being 45 boys below the Division 4 cutoff last year to only missing the Division 2 cutoff by 18 this year. And there's no recruiting there...

Division 4 in Central District will finally open up with the removal of Africentric, Wellington, Harvest Prep, and Newark Catholic, who have represented the D4 in Regionals in 8 of the last 9 years (if my 5 minute research is correct).

That also means that D3 will get much more difficult, which is a contrast from it's relatively light pool of participants in recent years. The numbers for D3 are 128-210. Additionally:

- D2 District runner-up Heath (201) and Johnstown (204) both drop to D3, which in itself immediately makes D3 a much tougher tougher and deeper district.
- To serve as some balance, D2 Amanda Clearcreek (210) and Horizon Science Academy (200).

First round games in this District for D3 could get ugly, but it should be pretty entertaining as the District tournament progresses. I'm not too familiar with other districts, but does any other areas/divisions have this much change?

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Post by 93Bulldog » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:25 pm

Fairland will quickly learn the D2 southeast district is pretty darn tough ... and lets not talk about regionals. Big difference between Eastmoor and Garaway.

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Post by danicalifornia » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:50 pm

I just hope D2 gets 2 teams to the Regionals this year. This would be an insane set of Sectional Finals if not.

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Post by danicalifornia » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:13 pm

This is how I see the breakdown of Logan and Southeastern going now

Logan:

Athens
Circleville (new)
Fairfield Union
Logan Elm
Marietta
New Lexington
Sheridan
Vinson County
Warren
Westfall or Zane Trace (either would be new)

Southeastern:

Fairland (new)
Gallup Academy
Hillsboro
Jackson
McClain
Miami Trace
Unioto
Washington
Waverly
Westfall or Zane Trace (either new)

Zane Trace is closer to Southeastern than Logan and closer to both than Westfall. However, Westfall could just be lumped in with their Pickaway County brothers and go towards Logan...or they could use US 23 as a dividing line and have ZT go to Logan instead of the more Western Westfall. Heck, they could have fun and move VC to Southeastern and both Westfall and ZT to Logan lol.

No matter what, Fairland has an absolute haul.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by Truth&fiction » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:50 pm

The D1 is insane . Come on OHSAA get to work and create true competitive balance . Some schools over 4-1/2 times larger than others . Teams forced to play in other districts . When will this madness stop? It should not be that difficult!

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Post by danicalifornia » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:58 pm

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Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:50 pm
The D1 is insane . Come on OHSAA get to work and create true competitive balance . Some schools over 4-1/2 times larger than others . Teams forced to play in other districts . When will this madness stop? It should not be that difficult!
Smallest D1 in the SW has over 1000 less boys than the largest in the SW! That's just stupid.

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Post by football life » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:25 pm

No disrespect, but my prayers are with Westfall! D2 Logan sectional WHOA!!!!

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Post by danicalifornia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:19 am

football life wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:25 pm
No disrespect, but my prayers are with Westfall! D2 Logan sectional WHOA!!!!
They made end up at SE. The Mustangs will be better the next couple of years and have a nice staff, but it is a really tough move for them in the postseason.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by GoBucks1047 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:48 am

GoBucks1047 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:54 pm
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Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:06 pm
The break down looks good for D2 thru D 4 . As competitive balance for D1 you could be at 363 and would have the possibility of a Mason with a number like 1350 going head to head in tournament . Now that is an injustice and is not fair to the lower end of D1. The balance they are looking at is 199 in D1,200 in D2 , 200 IN D3 and 200 in D4. Their balance is a total of 799 teams and that number is then divided. When will they look at adding a division like Football and truly have balance ?
I was actually looking at what things would look like in our area if a 5th division was added for that reason. Initially, I went with the top 80 schools for D1 since in football, it was he too 72 teams out of around 720 and basketball has around 800, but I found that some district areas would be too far spread apart, even for 5-team districts, but with the top 96 schools, it was a much better, and there could be 16 districts of 6 teams. Then around 176 teams for D2-D5 each with 16 districts of 11 teams give or take. The cutoff between D1 and D2 in the 5 division setup before competitive balance was 512 this upcoming year. I also found it quite interesting how a lot of our divisions would look like in our area and could even result in some more conference realignment or division realignment within conferences.
*Updated w/ Competitive Balance and Numbers*

Red = Current D1
Orange = Current D2
Green = Current D3
Blue = Current D4

Division 1 - 528-1373 - 96 Total Schools

Division 2 - 295-527 - 176 Total Schools
Logan - 500
Teays Valley - 442
Chillicothe - 415
Western Brown - 414
Dover - 389
Tri-Valley - 384
Wilmington - 369
Hamilton Township - 365

New Philadelphia - 359
Marietta - 346
Zanesville - 344
Athens - 320
Sheridan - 315
Warren - 302


Division 3 - 187-294 - 176 Total Schools
Hillsboro - 293
Jackson - 291
Fairfield Union - 285
Unioto - 271
Miami Trace - 270
Bloom Carroll - 268
Vinton County - 258
Washington C.H. - 255
Logan Elm - 254
Circleville - 250
Clinton-Massie - 248
Gallia Academy - 239
McClain - 236
New Lexington - 236
Waverly - 233
Zane Trace - 227
Westfall - 224
Morgan - 218
Fairland - 213

Amanda-Clearcreek - 210
Meigs - 209
Alexander - 206
River Valley - 204
Portsmouth West - 204
Blanchester - 202
Liberty Union - 195
Eastern-Brown - 194
Chesapeake - 187


Division 4 - 120-186 - 173 Total Schools
Piketon - 186
Northwest - 185
Rock Hill - 185
Oak Hill - 183
Wheelersburg - 181
South Point - 180
Wellston - 173
East Clinton - 172
Ironton - 171
Portsmouth - 171
Lynchburg-Clay - 160
Georgetown - 154
Minford - 154
Adena - 152
Fort Frye - 144
North Adams - 144
Fayetteville-Perry - 142
Paint Valley - 140
Huntington - 139
Eastern-Pike - 137
Southeastern - 137
Crooksville - 135
Nelsonville-York - 135
Western-Pike - 134
Valley - 133
West Union - 132

Belpre - 126
Manchester - 126
Dawson-Bryant - 125
Federal Hocking - 121

*Assuming Wahama (WV) would be D4 sized*

Division 5 - 12-119 - 178 Total Schools
Note: 8 Schools with 119
Shenandoah - 119
Symmes Valley - 119
Leesburg-Fairfield - 118
East - 111
Ripley - 111
Whiteoak - 109
South Webster - 105
Eastern-Meigs - 104
Peebles - 99
Trimble - 98
Southern - 95
Monroe Central - 94
River - 91
South Gallia - 90
Clay - 87
Caldwell - 84
Miller - 82
Frontier - 80
Waterford - 80
Green - 79
New Boston - 63
Notre Dame - 41
Ironton St. Joe - 33

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by trojandave » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:42 pm

A team to watch in D4 will be Coal Grove.......the Hornets return all 5 starters, and as a D4 will play a tough OVC schedule. CG is now the smallest school in the conference. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Hornets make a good run in the tournament.

With the bump-ups of Africentric, Harvest Prep, The Wellington School, and Newark Catholic, getting to the state out of D3 Athens just got a whole lot tougher. I'd say right now that there's a 90% chance that 1 of the those 4 schools will be in the Athens regional. I can attest to how good Africentric is having seen them beat my Trojans 54-40 at a summer shootout on Wednesday. Our kids did give them a good game though. They have a 6-7 center who has a good supporting cast around him.

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Post by 93Bulldog » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:07 pm

Columbus schools haven't been at the Convo for D3 regionals TD.

It was 2 Southeast and 2 East.

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Post by danicalifornia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:33 pm

93Bulldog wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:07 pm
Columbus schools haven't been at the Convo for D3 regionals TD.

It was 2 Southeast and 2 East.
That will probably change. The Central only had 1 District, but now has 25 schools, while the East only has 15, so they could easily drop to only one district themselves.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by svac83 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:34 pm

curious how some of these regions will break down.
in d-2 central has 22 teams think they should get 2 spots in regionals. east 20 teams 2 spots. northeast 66 teams think they would get 5 spots. northwest 28 teams 2 spots. southeast 20 teams 2 spots. southwest 44 teams 4 spots. that makes 17 spots in regionals. so the east or southeast one or other probably only get i spot?

d-3 i think much clearer. central 25 teams 2 spots. east 15 teams 1 spot, northeast 48 teams 4 spots. northwest 41 teams 3 spots. southeast 28 teams 2 spots. southwest 43 teams 4 spots. only question would be northwest and southwest maybe that spot would flip back and forth.

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Post by bman » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:34 pm

SE will have two to regionals in D2. Regional will be SE, SE, E and E.

In D3, regional will be SE, SE, E (they now only get one to regional) and C.

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Post by svac83 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:56 pm

bman wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:34 pm
SE will have two to regionals in D2. Regional will be SE, SE, E and E.

In D3, regional will be SE, SE, E (they now only get one to regional) and C.
i hope you are right on D2 but. i dont think they are only going to give northeast 4 spots with 66 teams.

D4 breaks down pretty easy central 17 teams 1 spot. east 17 teams 1 spot, northeast .39 teams 3 spots. northwest 70 teams 6 spots. southeast 21 2 spots. southwest 36 teams 3 spots. maybe northwest only gets 5 spots. and central and east split a spot. i dont know

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Post by danicalifornia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:57 pm

The SW had 43 teams and 3 spots last year, so it's safe to assume that the 44th team wouldn't change that. They tend to not want districts to be more than 15 teams if they can help it, which sometimes it can't be.

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Post by bsee12345 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:39 pm

I believe this is how the Regional Representation will be for D2, D3 and D4
Division II
Central District 2 teams to Regionals
East District 2 teams to Regionals
Northeast 5 teams to Regionals
Northwest 2 teams to Regionals
Southeast 2 teams to Regionals
Southwest 3 teams to regionals

Division III
Central District 2 teams to Regionals
East District 1 team to Regionals
Northeast District 4 teams to Regionals
Northwest District 3 teams to Regionals
Southeast District 2 teams to Regionals
Southwest District 4 teams to Regionals

Division IV
Central District 1 team to Regionals
East District 1 team to Regionals
Northeast 3 teams to Regionals
Northwest 6 teams to Regionals
Southeast 2 teams to Regionals
Southwest 3 teams to Regionals

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Post by mondayamqb » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:48 pm

In D4 look for the 2 SE, 1 East, and 1 Central to be matched
4 in NW
3 in NE along with 1 from NW
3 in SW along with 1 from NW

This will be different for East which has been paired with 3 in NE recently. The drop in D4s in the Central causes this

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by thebarlowbandit » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:15 pm

jumphigh wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:16 am
If you really want to see an injustice to the students look at track and field. There are only 3 division but there are 3 divisions yet there are 800 schools that scored a point or more at the district level. That means the big d1 schools have 4 times the athletes to choose from as the small schools.

It just does not seem competitive, balanced or fair
We should probably just give everyone a trophy and make everyone feel good!! That would fix that "injustice" you speak of. Hell, at Warren we could finally feel like winners in football.

the big schools also have 5-10 more sports for kids to choose from, and competition for their athletes.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by thebarlowbandit » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:24 pm

bman wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:34 pm
SE will have two to regionals in D2. Regional will be SE, SE, E and E.

In D3, regional will be SE, SE, E (they now only get one to regional) and C.
D2 has never been 2 SE and 2 E, it's always a 2-1-1 scenerio, with the two bouncing between the East and SE, and they get one Columbus DII.

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Post by danicalifornia » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:54 pm

thebarlowbandit wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:24 pm
bman wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:34 pm
SE will have two to regionals in D2. Regional will be SE, SE, E and E.

In D3, regional will be SE, SE, E (they now only get one to regional) and C.
D2 has never been 2 SE and 2 E, it's always a 2-1-1 scenerio, with the two bouncing between the East and SE, and they get one Columbus DII.

Never is a long time. Never has only been since 2014 as well. 2013 had 2 and 2, so did 2012, 2009, 2008.

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Post by Raider6309 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:26 pm

thebarlowbandit wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:24 pm
bman wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:34 pm
SE will have two to regionals in D2. Regional will be SE, SE, E and E.

In D3, regional will be SE, SE, E (they now only get one to regional) and C.
D2 has never been 2 SE and 2 E, it's always a 2-1-1 scenerio, with the two bouncing between the East and SE, and they get one Columbus DII.
How does a Warren person not remember that? Athens, Warren, New Philadelphia, and St Clairsville

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Post by 93Bulldog » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:11 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:26 pm
thebarlowbandit wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:24 pm
bman wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:34 pm
SE will have two to regionals in D2. Regional will be SE, SE, E and E.

In D3, regional will be SE, SE, E (they now only get one to regional) and C.
D2 has never been 2 SE and 2 E, it's always a 2-1-1 scenerio, with the two bouncing between the East and SE, and they get one Columbus DII.
How does a Warren person not remember that? Athens, Warren, New Philadelphia, and St Clairsville
Lol I was thinking the same thing

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by Omega » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:40 am

danicalifornia wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:58 pm
Truth&fiction wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:50 pm
The D1 is insane . Come on OHSAA get to work and create true competitive balance . Some schools over 4-1/2 times larger than others . Teams forced to play in other districts . When will this madness stop? It should not be that difficult!
Smallest D1 in the SW has over 1000 less boys than the largest in the SW! That's just stupid.
DC,
I understand the concept of equity, yet OHSAA tournament basketball survived for years with only two size classes. Kentucky thrives with one. I guess age fogs my brain on this being an issue.
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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by Truth&fiction » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:55 am

Omega wrote:
Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:40 am
danicalifornia wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:58 pm
Truth&fiction wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:50 pm
The D1 is insane . Come on OHSAA get to work and create true competitive balance . Some schools over 4-1/2 times larger than others . Teams forced to play in other districts . When will this madness stop? It should not be that difficult!
Smallest D1 in the SW has over 1000 less boys than the largest in the SW! That's just stupid.
DC,
I understand the concept of equity, yet OHSAA tournament basketball survived for years with only two size classes. Kentucky thrives with one. I guess age fogs my brain on this being an issue.
My age which is old says that if you have participated against the giant schools you would realize unfair balance . Back in the day you did not have schools with the count (9 thru 12 ) with over 1500. Some schools are broken up into 3 schools and their count is around 800 and growing . Yes back in the day there was Class A and Class B and that was corrected to 3 Div and then expanded to 4 . With the growth and the projected growth it's time to expand . A foggy mind ? It was and issue back in the day and the State stepped up and improved the competitive balance . I believe they will again .

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by petesweaty » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:48 pm

Zane Trace moving up to D2 has nothing to do with competitive balance. It has to do with a sophomore class of 90+ boys. The class behind them has more like the normal 55 boys per class at ZT. They will go back to D3 in two years.

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Post by trojandave » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:29 am

93Bulldog: I'm not talking about last year's D3 regionals......I am referring to what we may see if the D3 Athens regional setup is 2 SE teams, 1 East team, and 1 Central District team. If that be the case, chances are really good that one of the 4 aforementioned schools will land a spot in Athens.

Just looking at the past though, in 2014, Bishop Ready from the Central District beat Valley 38-33 in the D3 Athens regional final. In 2015, Portsmouth lost to Columbus Eastmoor Academy 49-45 in the D3 Athens regional. So there have been teams from the Central District who have played in the D3 Athens regionals.

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Post by trojandave » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:42 am

In today's basketball, with transfers, open enrollment, competitive balance, and whatever else, having 4 or 5 divisions for basketball makes sense. Back many years ago, when there were only 2 classes, I remember Portsmouth playing Portsmouth East in sectional play. I don't think that was very fair at all. There were over 500 schools in each class, and that included small schools before the age of consolidation.

Today there is no shame at all in winning a state title in your division with 200 schools as opposed to 500 way back when. I don't think being the best out of 200 schools is watering down the product. One great thing about having more divisions is that it gives more schools a chance to reach the Final 4. Out of 800 schools in Ohio, less than 200 have ever made the state tournament. Of course that number has increased with the adding of more divisions since the OHSAA expanded to 3 classes in 1971 and 4 divisions in 1988.

The reality is that most schools in Ohio will never make the state tournament.......but the possibility of them making it to the state is more real today than ever before.......and that's not such a bad thing.

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Post by Coach SLegg » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:04 pm

I think the "norm" in SE D3 is 2 SE, 1 Central, 1 Eastern. In 2009 Piketon defeated Columbus Grandview Heights in an OT thriller in the Regional Finals. Grandview had defeated I believe Buckeye Trail to advance to the Regional Finals while Piketon had defeated North Adams. Then in 2013 Piketon was defeated by Oak Hill in the Regional Semis while Ironton and Martins Ferry were in the other Regional Semis. It bounces back and forth every few years.
Huge difference for SE D3 when there's no Central District team in Regionals. Plus 3 SE D3 slots increases the chances to advance to the Regionals and then to the State.
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Post by davewottle » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:21 pm

Boys Basketball
Division I, 199 teams (362 males or more from October 2016 enrollments plus Competitive Balance fac- tors)
Division II, 200 teams (211 to 361 males)
Division III, 200 teams (128 to 210 males)
Division IV, 200 team (127 or less males) Total Teams: 799
Representation from the district to the regional tournaments in boys basketball for 2018 would be: Division I: Combined Central, one East school (Dresden Tri-Valley) and two Southeast schools (Chillicothe and Logan) 4; Combined Northeast and one East school (Dover) 6; Northwest 2, and Southwest 4; Division II: Central 2; East 2; Northeast 5; Northwest 2; Southeast 2, and Southwest 3; Division III: Central 2; East 1; Northeast 4; Northwest 3; Southeast 2, and Southwest 4; Division IV: Central 1; East 1; Northeast 3; Northwest 6; Southeast 2, and Southwest 3.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by justpassinthru » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:51 pm

With all the chatter about "being fair", "wanting more divisions" etc. You all are sounding like the "soccer parents" - everyone gets a trophy. Life isnt fair. I guess it is not acceptable anymore to just represent your school, community, and family by just doing the best you can regardless of the outcome. Some where winning has kind of pushed those to the back ground.

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Post by E High » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:31 am

Somewhat agree with that . No more divisions . Doesn't need to be watered down like football ! Would like to see top 100 put in D-1 and other 3 divisions split up equally from there .

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Post by GoBucks1047 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:54 am

E High wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:31 am
Somewhat agree with that . No more divisions . Doesn't need to be watered down like football ! Would like to see top 100 put in D-1 and other 3 divisions split up equally from there .
Here's a setup that you may like if OHSAA would rather remain at 4 Divisions as opposed to expanding to 5 Divisions, which I think OHSAA will eventually do with a 96 team D1 and D2-D5 divided equally.
D1: ~116 Teams - 29 Team Regionals - 7-8 Team Districts - 3 Teams 1st Round Bye in a Regional
Regionals Comparable to the 2 D3 Athens Districts Combined
D2-D4: ~228 Teams each - 57 Team Regionals - 14-15 Team Districts - 7 Teams 1st Round Bye in a Regional
Districts Comparable to either of the 2 D3 Athens District (14-15 Teams)
Currently: An Average of 14 Teams in a Regional receive a 1st Round Bye (assuming all regionals are equal; they aren't)

Division Breakdown
D1: 496-1373 - 117 Teams
D2: 241-495 - 228 Teams
D3: 139-240 - 227 Teams
D4: 12-138 - 227 Teams

Also looked at a 96 school D1, 112 school D1, and 128 school D1, but felt that a hybrid of 112 and 128 would be best, the most competitive, and most rewarding to the best teams in the regular season.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by trojandave » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:41 pm

I could definitely favor keeping 4 divisions ONLY IF the current D1 is divided up. GoBucks1047 has a good idea on divisional breakdown, although the 496 is still a little bit low for me. E high's proposal seems good, but I wonder what the 100 teams low number would be.

I do agree that someday soon the OHSAA will most likely expand to 5 divisions, with the largest division having a smaller number of schools than the other 4 divisions.

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