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svc_guy wrote:

spartans_fan wrote:

hawkeyepierce wrote:What in the heck is going on in Southeastern? The man wins a district title and I am hearing from my friends in Londonderry way, he got non-renew (axed). The curse of Larry Jordan continues.....

That is crazy. The excitement and support that this team had in the convo was awesome. How do you have a first year coach take you somewhere you have not been in 10 years and he gets non-renewed. I hope this is not the case.

Good luck to all.

Go Alex.

I can tell you this was already being done well before the tournament. The administration at Southeastern should be embarrassed. They will claim all kinds of excuses but they have a guy in mind and think he will bring back the Larry Jordan days. I can tell you, they are very thin coming up the next several years and it's not going to happen. This I why kids get discouraged and transfer around. The schools are too unstable and are always turning over coaches.

So this seriously happened?

I was told an hour ago, by phone, this is a done deal. The kids were told last week.

I willing to bet there is a movement to get Mike Adams to coach boys. Which, a lot of my sources would be in favor of, but some has said he has under achieved with the girls, having the two best players in the Southeast District. This will be an interesting follow over the next few weeks. Good luck the student-athletes that deserve better.

This is why some local schools have more success than others. If you are constantly turning over coaches, then you're going to struggle.

How many schools have had the same coach for 10 years? Heck, how many schools have had the same coach for 3?

At the Convo, Division 2 had Logan Elm, Vinton County, Waverly, and Unioto that are all around 8-9+ years, with 2 being over 15. Chillicothe, Fairfield Union, and Miami Trace all are 3+, but have been stable. Athens had a 1st year coach, but that was after having the same coach for a long time.

I'm unsure of how long South Point's Coach has been there, but 5 of the other 7 at the Convo have been at their school's for 4 or more years.

It appears that schools that struggle are always flipping coaches or having them leave.

Southeastern ran off a young coach a few years back to bring in a hot candidate, welp, that didn't work out, so they brought in Slaughter and according to their Board, that didn't work out either. I wouldn't be shocked if 1 or more of the young kids take off with this news and I wouldn't blame them for wanting to go somewhere with some stability.

WOW. Maybe Slaughter can relocate at Western. Why did Miller leave? Or ZT?

hawkeyepierce wrote:I was told an hour ago, by phone, this is a done deal. The kids were told last week.

I willing to bet there is a movement to get Mike Adams to coach boys. Which, a lot of my sources would be in favor of, but some has said he has under achieved with the girls, having the two best players in the Southeast District. This will be an interesting follow over the next few weeks. Good luck the student-athletes that deserve better.

Saying SE has the two best players in Southeast District girls basketball is a big-time stretch. Ella Skeens is a very solid player - probably a lower D1/top-notch D2 player - but there are players just as good as her in the district. Same is the case for Audrie Wheeler.

Southeastern is not getting through to regionals, because an Eastern Brown has players that match or come close to matching Skeens and Wheeler, and then they win the matchups at the other three positions.

bman wrote:

hawkeyepierce wrote:I was told an hour ago, by phone, this is a done deal. The kids were told last week.

I willing to bet there is a movement to get Mike Adams to coach boys. Which, a lot of my sources would be in favor of, but some has said he has under achieved with the girls, having the two best players in the Southeast District. This will be an interesting follow over the next few weeks. Good luck the student-athletes that deserve better.

Saying SE has the two best players in Southeast District girls basketball is a big-time stretch. Ella Skeens is a very solid player - probably a lower D1/top-notch D2 player - but there are players just as good as her in the district. Same is the case for Audrie Wheeler.

Southeastern is not getting through to regionals, because an Eastern Brown has players that match or come close to matching Skeens and Wheeler, and then they win the matchups at the other three positions.

Saying Skeens is lower D1 or top D2 is underestimating her abilities. She already has approximately 15 D1 offers that include Xavier, Cincinnati, Ball State and others. These are not teams that are looking at her, these are full ride offers. There are other major D1 schools that are recruiting her, but have not offered, such as Dayton and Florida. Don't get on here and downplay her ability. She is the real deal and she has the offers to prove it.

Sid Farkus wrote:

bman wrote:

hawkeyepierce wrote:I was told an hour ago, by phone, this is a done deal. The kids were told last week.

I willing to bet there is a movement to get Mike Adams to coach boys. Which, a lot of my sources would be in favor of, but some has said he has under achieved with the girls, having the two best players in the Southeast District. This will be an interesting follow over the next few weeks. Good luck the student-athletes that deserve better.

Saying SE has the two best players in Southeast District girls basketball is a big-time stretch. Ella Skeens is a very solid player - probably a lower D1/top-notch D2 player - but there are players just as good as her in the district. Same is the case for Audrie Wheeler.

Southeastern is not getting through to regionals, because an Eastern Brown has players that match or come close to matching Skeens and Wheeler, and then they win the matchups at the other three positions.

Saying Skeens is lower D1 or top D2 is underestimating her abilities. She already has approximately 15 D1 offers that include Xavier, Cincinnati, Ball State and others. These are not teams that are looking at her, these are full ride offers. There are other major D1 schools that are recruiting her, but have not offered, such as Dayton and Florida. Don't get on here and downplay her ability. She is the real deal and she has the offers to prove it.

Skeens is very talented. Adams has somewhat underachieved in the tournament, but has done his job well in league play. That Eastern team they ran into in the tournament was just deeper and more talented overall, so it is easy to see why they would have lost to them.

Who would even want this job at this point?

Sid Farkus wrote:

bman wrote:

hawkeyepierce wrote:I was told an hour ago, by phone, this is a done deal. The kids were told last week.

I willing to bet there is a movement to get Mike Adams to coach boys. Which, a lot of my sources would be in favor of, but some has said he has under achieved with the girls, having the two best players in the Southeast District. This will be an interesting follow over the next few weeks. Good luck the student-athletes that deserve better.

Saying SE has the two best players in Southeast District girls basketball is a big-time stretch. Ella Skeens is a very solid player - probably a lower D1/top-notch D2 player - but there are players just as good as her in the district. Same is the case for Audrie Wheeler.

Southeastern is not getting through to regionals, because an Eastern Brown has players that match or come close to matching Skeens and Wheeler, and then they win the matchups at the other three positions.

Saying Skeens is lower D1 or top D2 is underestimating her abilities. She already has approximately 15 D1 offers that include Xavier, Cincinnati, Ball State and others. These are not teams that are looking at her, these are full ride offers. There are other major D1 schools that are recruiting her, but have not offered, such as Dayton and Florida. Don't get on here and downplay her ability. She is the real deal and she has the offers to prove it.

Less than one percent of basketball players get to play Division I basketball. That's not underestimating Ella, that's giving her great praise for achieving a level that few get to.

As for my D1/D2 comment, I've known players around here who have had D1 offers but went D2 to play immediately and get to compete for a national championship. That was their choice, just like it would be the choice for someone else to go play D1.

jibblepie wrote:

Sid Farkus wrote:

bman wrote:

Saying SE has the two best players in Southeast District girls basketball is a big-time stretch. Ella Skeens is a very solid player - probably a lower D1/top-notch D2 player - but there are players just as good as her in the district. Same is the case for Audrie Wheeler.

Southeastern is not getting through to regionals, because an Eastern Brown has players that match or come close to matching Skeens and Wheeler, and then they win the matchups at the other three positions.

Saying Skeens is lower D1 or top D2 is underestimating her abilities. She already has approximately 15 D1 offers that include Xavier, Cincinnati, Ball State and others. These are not teams that are looking at her, these are full ride offers. There are other major D1 schools that are recruiting her, but have not offered, such as Dayton and Florida. Don't get on here and downplay her ability. She is the real deal and she has the offers to prove it.

Skeens is very talented. Adams has somewhat underachieved in the tournament, but has done his job well in league play. That Eastern team they ran into in the tournament was just deeper and more talented overall, so it is easy to see why they would have lost to them.

Who would even want this job at this point?

I have no dog in the fight, but I think folks at SE had overinflated expectations. SE did beat Miami Trace and Amanda during the regular season, both solid wins, but top-to-bottom, D3 in the SE this year was tougher than D2. They needed to have another Skeens or Wheeler quality of player to get to where they wanted to be in D3.

VisionQuest wrote:

thebarlowbandit wrote:Will Athens be open, I know from the summer post a bit of a disappointing season and he's not a teacher, will someone else step up?

Stirring the Pot are we??? Should Warrens coach be gone as well. Didn't make it to the Convo with all that talent he had. Some would consider that disappointing. 1st year coach goes 14-10 and beats A solid Sheridan team in Sectional and then goes to the CONVO and Competes with a great Miami Trace team. What more can you ask for. Go crawl back under that Rock you Hid under when your Mighty Warriors lost to a 6 seed.

When you've had the success that Blane Maddox has had at Warren against Athens then I fully understand why you'd wish for such a stupid move by the Warren School Board. That's the ONLY way Athens will beat Warren. If you couldn't do it with Joe Borrow & Ibi Watson I really don't see it happening at all.
•Pot Stirred Again•

Sportsman wrote:WOW. Maybe Slaughter can relocate at Western. Why did Miller leave? Or ZT?

With Perdue leaving, I do not know if he will want that job.

SWJeeps22 wrote:

Sportsman wrote:WOW. Maybe Slaughter can relocate at Western. Why did Miller leave? Or ZT?

With Perdue leaving, I do not know if he will want that job.

Heard the same, hopefully the Cats can win the league now! Go Cats. Green capable , we will see if they put in the work.

bman wrote:

jibblepie wrote:

Sid Farkus wrote:
Saying Skeens is lower D1 or top D2 is underestimating her abilities. She already has approximately 15 D1 offers that include Xavier, Cincinnati, Ball State and others. These are not teams that are looking at her, these are full ride offers. There are other major D1 schools that are recruiting her, but have not offered, such as Dayton and Florida. Don't get on here and downplay her ability. She is the real deal and she has the offers to prove it.

Skeens is very talented. Adams has somewhat underachieved in the tournament, but has done his job well in league play. That Eastern team they ran into in the tournament was just deeper and more talented overall, so it is easy to see why they would have lost to them.

Who would even want this job at this point?

I have no dog in the fight, but I think folks at SE had overinflated expectations. SE did beat Miami Trace and Amanda during the regular season, both solid wins, but top-to-bottom, D3 in the SE this year was tougher than D2. They needed to have another Skeens or Wheeler quality of player to get to where they wanted to be in D3.

With all due respect to the SE girls coaching staff, the SVC was so down there was no way they weren't going to win that league. Concerning the folks at SE that bman claims had overinflated expectations. Remember, their volleyball team and boys basketball team both went to the regionals. Why shouldn't they expect their girls basketball team, which has the most talent, to do just as well or better. Then, when you see that they got rid of their boys coach after making it to the regionals, it just seems confusing to most of us.

SWJeeps22 wrote:

Sportsman wrote:WOW. Maybe Slaughter can relocate at Western. Why did Miller leave? Or ZT?

With Perdue leaving, I do not know if he will want that job.

No one really talks about why Southeastern was 5-17 going into the tourney if he was doing a good job. The SVC was not that good this year and Div 3 tourney was as bad as its been in years. Don't let one years tourney success at the end of the year determine whether you will have long term success as a coach. (See next paragraph.) Not saying he is or is not a good coach. Just wondering what happened in season.

Word has it Kyle Miller will be helping Travis at Waverly next year. I have watched Kyle Miller a couple of times this year and I think Kyle needed to step away for a year or two and mature as a coach. I'm not sure Kyle or his players wanted to be at that tournament game against Manchester. He definitely didn't coach like he wanted to win. I think Kyle could learn a lot from Travis on game coaching and Travis could benefit from Kyle's help in practice. Sounds like it might work for both and maybe Kyle could take over in a couple of years. I would not think about trading Travis for Kyle Miller after watching Western's last tourney game.

Regarding Perdue, does anyone actually think one would or would not take a coaching job based on if Perdue leaves or stays. Taking a coaching job for a kid that will be in your program 1 year? I would hope one would look a little further down the road than that. According to the program Western had one senior (though they will miss him), one junior that played a lot and the rest freshman and sophomores. Western will win a lot of games next year because the SOC I will be as bad as it's been in years. Many coaches could win as many games next year as Western won this year with what they have coming back with or without Perdue.

Farmer Jim wrote:

bman wrote:

jibblepie wrote:
Skeens is very talented. Adams has somewhat underachieved in the tournament, but has done his job well in league play. That Eastern team they ran into in the tournament was just deeper and more talented overall, so it is easy to see why they would have lost to them.

Who would even want this job at this point?

I have no dog in the fight, but I think folks at SE had overinflated expectations. SE did beat Miami Trace and Amanda during the regular season, both solid wins, but top-to-bottom, D3 in the SE this year was tougher than D2. They needed to have another Skeens or Wheeler quality of player to get to where they wanted to be in D3.

With all due respect to the SE girls coaching staff, the SVC was so down there was no way they weren't going to win that league. Concerning the folks at SE that bman claims had overinflated expectations. Remember, their volleyball team and boys basketball team both went to the regionals. Why shouldn't they expect their girls basketball team, which has the most talent, to do just as well or better. Then, when you see that they got rid of their boys coach after making it to the regionals, it just seems confusing to most of us.

Out of the three sports you mentioned, girls basketball was the strongest, and it wasn't even close. Volleyball from top-to-bottom in D3 is not very good. If you have a decent team from the SVC or TVC, you'll typically get to a district final. Boys basketball in D3 was the weakest it has been in many years. Girls basketball had a number of strong teams.

But I'll agree with your post if you tell me what SE's coach could have done differently to beat Eastern Brown in a district final? I've never met SE's coach and I don't have a dog in the fight. SE didn't have the depth that several other teams in the district had like Lynchburg, Eastern, Alex, etc. SE was honestly fortunate to beat Ironton in a district semifinal. SE had a good team this year, but it takes a pretty good team to get to a regional or state. unless you get really hot (a lot of that's due to luck) or you play in a down district.

The Perdue kid is a nice player . Why and we're will he wind up? Why is he leaving his Senior year to relocate. Will he have to sit out 50 %?. Very strange.

bman wrote:
Out of the three sports you mentioned, girls basketball was the strongest, and it wasn't even close. Volleyball from top-to-bottom in D3 is not very good. If you have a decent team from the SVC or TVC, you'll typically get to a district final. Boys basketball in D3 was the weakest it has been in many years. Girls basketball had a number of strong teams.

But I'll agree with your post if you tell me what SE's coach could have done differently to beat Eastern Brown in a district final? I've never met SE's coach and I don't have a dog in the fight. SE didn't have the depth that several other teams in the district had like Lynchburg, Eastern, Alex, etc. SE was honestly fortunate to beat Ironton in a district semifinal. SE had a good team this year, but it takes a pretty good team to get to a regional or state. unless you get really hot (a lot of that's due to luck) or you play in a down district.

Sorry, but I never said they should have beat Eastern Brown. I just stated I could understand how the people from SE would expect more since their volleyball team and boys basketball team accomplished more. I didn't even watch the SE/ Eastern Brown game. I'm still confused as to why they fired the boys coach, though.

I have seen a lot of high school basketball games in my lifetime and I would rate Ella Skeens in my top five of all time girl players. That is, the ones I have seen in person. Of course, number one being Katie Smith, she was true five tool player, (shoot, pass, rebound, post, and defend). And the rest in no particular order, but Marlene Stollings, an absolute scoring machine, Sina King, super skilled, Beth Howe, great player. In my opinion, Ella could be right there, I am interested in seeing how her senior year plays out. You also cannot ignore that she is the genetic offspring of two (2) 1,000 point scorers, great players in their own right.

However, you can't help but think, wonder, what her career would have looked like, lets say in the hands of Jeff Miller, or Jerry Close, or someone that runs sets, understands transition, and defends.

This is a boys thread, let's get back to talking about that.

The girls thread can be found at this link...
http://www.southeasternohiopreps.com/viewforum.php?f=5

South Gallia and Symmes Valley are posted on the OHSAA site. Unsure if they have been discussed.