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Re: Point Guards

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:54 pm
by Chieftain Fan
Chieftain2009 wrote: Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:44 pm Caleb Bell of Logan. Probably one of the most underrated point guards around. Doesn't always fill up the stat sheet. But he's integral to what the Chiefs do. Handles the ball as well as anyone around, especially against all these central district guards. Is averaging 9.6 points per game, is an excellent 3-point shooter. And plays lock down defense on the perimeter.
I might be a little partial but at 6-2 and strong as he is I'm glad he's a Chieftain . You might say he's the calm before the storm and I think you know what I mean . High IQ player and does not turn the ball over , just too unselfish to rack up PPG . Can defend 1-5 . BIG part of what the Chieftains are .

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:36 pm
by pfloyd
When I look at PG's ... those that are the best are those that 1) handles the ball/breaks down pressure 2) distributes the ball getting THE scorers/TEAM involved in the game early and often 3) sets the offense in motion from anywhere on the floor 4) is able to penetrate/dish and/or finish at the rim 5) HAS the perimeter game to knock down the 3 ball (which makes him that much more able to penetrate into the paint) ... are they the BIG scorer? no ... can they/do they play D ? absolutely ... these are the best of the best that I have seen this season based on that criteria :

Logan ... Caleb Bell ... so strong with the ball ... does it all AND has in the last half of the season become a legit downtown threat (2-3 per game)
Eastern Pike ... Evan Leist
Jackson ... Caleb Wallis ... as Bell for Logan has done this season - Wallis does it all & IS a 3 point threat this season ...
Washington CH ... Evan Upthegrove ... probably elevates higher on his jump shot more than any player in SEO
Chillicothe ... Tre Beard ... strength IS an important part of being a PG, TB will get there ...
Warren ... Seth Dennis
Waverly ... Cody Remington/Cobe Marquez
Zane Trace ... Cam Evans when he plays that position - fits my description exactly ... may be the strongest guard in SEO with the ball
Fairfield Union ... Evan Conley
Alexander ... JK Kearns
Sheridan ... Ethan Heller ... as scorer 1st imo - a darn good one LOL

... I look at the list I have posted as those players who are pure PG's who "aren't" the show - the distribution of the ball, getting THE true scorers on the team the ball where THEY can score , feeding the post ... there are PG's out there who "ARE THE SHOW" without their scoring the TEAM struggles - Alex Blanton for Piketon fits THIS mold imo ... Brewster for Western Pike ... then you have teams that are full of guards - Logan Elm with Jeremy Wietlemann/Jason Sailor/Isaac Ward/Gabe Chaffin ... the LE motion offense makes them ALL PG's/scoring guards/ & G/F's ... same with Trimble with Brayden Weber/Jeremiah Brown/Cam Kittle/Sawyer Koons/ Blake Guffey ... the motion offense make them all PG/G/F's ...

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:16 am
by Chieftain2009
To add another note about Logan's Caleb Bell, as the point guard, he's averaging about 1 turnover a game, he has only 21 turnovers in Logan's 20 games.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:18 am
by WesternIndianFan
Western's Lane Brewster is averaging almost 21ppg, 10 rebounds, 56% from 2pt range, 76% from the FT line, and 2.5 assists. Also leads team in steals and is second in blocks all from the point guard position. Will likely finish career as Western's 3rd all-time leading boys scorer and 5th overall leading scorer. Aside from his one time fouling out in his career and missing the 4th quarter last night due to injury, he has sat out less than 10 total minutes of game time in the past two seasons.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:55 am
by ohbuckeye2
trojandave wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:36 pm Two that I have seen quite a bit are Aaron Music of Coal Grove and Ethan Wilson of Ironton. Both of them could hold their own against anybody else that's mentioned on this topic.
I agree, both are very good

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:11 am
by Ukfanatic
Remington struggled with foul trouble all last year. He dedicated himself this year to not being in foul trouble and still playing great defense. He has not fouled out of one game and has only picked up two fouls in the first half in one game and that was on an offensive rebound and terrible charge call.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:20 am
by Ironman92
Ukfanatic wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:11 am Remington struggled with foul trouble all last year. He dedicated himself this year to not being in foul trouble and still playing great defense. He has not fouled out of one game and has only picked up two fouls in the first half in one game and that was on an offensive rebound and terrible charge call.
Hasn’t fouled out and 1 time out of 22 had 2 fouls in the 1st half?

We don’t need facts man.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:03 am
by burgfella69
Crab's Brother wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:54 am
Proud_Pirate63 wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:41 am I’d put Matthew Miller from Wheelersburg up against any player mentioned on this thread.
And you would get smoked.
I don't know... Matthew is a competitor, he'd gladly take on any of these guys and I think he'd do so pretty well. Just a sophomore so he may be outmatched in this discussion right now but by the time he's a senior I'd say he would be over any of these guys.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:08 am
by burgfella69
Also, I'd like to add how impressive Wallis from Jackson was against Wheelersburg. I think he is quite the player and does a lot for Jackson.
Wilson from Ironton is a good playmaker for the Tigers
Robertson from Waverly will be a problem in the future even though he's more off ball right now, with Marquez and Remington filling that role quite nicely
Haven't really seen anyone else play enough to make a comment on them, but have heard good things about numerous players in the area.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:18 pm
by Truth&fiction
pfloyd wrote: Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:36 pm When I look at PG's ... those that are the best are those that 1) handles the ball/breaks down pressure 2) distributes the ball getting THE scorers/TEAM involved in the game early and often 3) sets the offense in motion from anywhere on the floor 4) is able to penetrate/dish and/or finish at the rim 5) HAS the perimeter game to knock down the 3 ball (which makes him that much more able to penetrate into the paint) ... are they the BIG scorer? no ... can they/do they play D ? absolutely ... these are the best of the best that I have seen this season based on that criteria :

Logan ... Caleb Bell ... so strong with the ball ... does it all AND has in the last half of the season become a legit downtown threat (2-3 per game)
Eastern Pike ... Evan Leist
Jackson ... Caleb Wallis ... as Bell for Logan has done this season - Wallis does it all & IS a 3 point threat this season ...
Washington CH ... Evan Upthegrove ... probably elevates higher on his jump shot more than any player in SEO
Chillicothe ... Tre Beard ... strength IS an important part of being a PG, TB will get there ...
Warren ... Seth Dennis
Waverly ... Cody Remington/Cobe Marquez
Zane Trace ... Cam Evans when he plays that position - fits my description exactly ... may be the strongest guard in SEO with the ball
Fairfield Union ... Evan Conley
Alexander ... JK Kearns
Sheridan ... Ethan Heller ... as scorer 1st imo - a darn good one LOL

... I look at the list I have posted as those players who are pure PG's who "aren't" the show - the distribution of the ball, getting THE true scorers on the team the ball where THEY can score , feeding the post ... there are PG's out there who "ARE THE SHOW" without their scoring the TEAM struggles - Alex Blanton for Piketon fits THIS mold imo ... Brewster for Western Pike ... then you have teams that are full of guards - Logan Elm with Jeremy Wietlemann/Jason Sailor/Isaac Ward/Gabe Chaffin ... the LE motion offense makes them ALL PG's/scoring guards/ & G/F's ... same with Trimble with Brayden Weber/Jeremiah Brown/Cam Kittle/Sawyer Koons/ Blake Guffey ... the motion offense make them all PG/G/F's ...
You are the one that can truly " GRADE PLAYERS " and you have done a great job on this and all your other run downs . Keep up the good work ! Enjoy the POST SEASON.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:48 pm
by VetteMan
trojandave wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:36 pm Two that I have seen quite a bit are Aaron Music of Coal Grove and Ethan Wilson of Ironton. Both of them could hold their own against anybody else that's mentioned on this topic.
I agree with you completely. Mayby some the fans have not seen these 2 as much as some of the others. They are the QB of there teams, they can score when need be, they are also very good defensive players. Everyone agrees that E. Leist is one of the best point guards around SEO, I put these 2 in that same category.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:49 pm
by pfloyd
VetteMan wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:48 pm
trojandave wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:36 pm Two that I have seen quite a bit are Aaron Music of Coal Grove and Ethan Wilson of Ironton. Both of them could hold their own against anybody else that's mentioned on this topic.
I agree with you completely. Mayby some the fans have not seen these 2 as much as some of the others. They are the QB of there teams, they can score when need be, they are also very good defensive players. Everyone agrees that E. Leist is one of the best point guards around SEO, I put these 2 in that same category.
... not going to disagree with either you Vetteman or trojandave as you both have seen these players more than I (I have not seen Ironton play at all - one of the few teams in my top 45 I have not seen) so I defer to you both ... I saw Music vs Oak Hill ... he IS an excellent player /does so much for CG ... I came away feeling he was "THE SHOW" for CG - that is not to be taken in a derogatory way at all - I simply mean HE is a MAJOR offensive option - ALWAYS looking to score on his own ... I view the others as PGs who are the "distributors" of the ball/ run the offense etc. BEING THE SHOW IS NOT A BAD THING !!! LOL ... he's outstanding ...

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:51 pm
by pfloyd
Truth&fiction wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:18 pm
pfloyd wrote: Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:36 pm When I look at PG's ... those that are the best are those that 1) handles the ball/breaks down pressure 2) distributes the ball getting THE scorers/TEAM involved in the game early and often 3) sets the offense in motion from anywhere on the floor 4) is able to penetrate/dish and/or finish at the rim 5) HAS the perimeter game to knock down the 3 ball (which makes him that much more able to penetrate into the paint) ... are they the BIG scorer? no ... can they/do they play D ? absolutely ... these are the best of the best that I have seen this season based on that criteria :

Logan ... Caleb Bell ... so strong with the ball ... does it all AND has in the last half of the season become a legit downtown threat (2-3 per game)
Eastern Pike ... Evan Leist
Jackson ... Caleb Wallis ... as Bell for Logan has done this season - Wallis does it all & IS a 3 point threat this season ...
Washington CH ... Evan Upthegrove ... probably elevates higher on his jump shot more than any player in SEO
Chillicothe ... Tre Beard ... strength IS an important part of being a PG, TB will get there ...
Warren ... Seth Dennis
Waverly ... Cody Remington/Cobe Marquez
Zane Trace ... Cam Evans when he plays that position - fits my description exactly ... may be the strongest guard in SEO with the ball
Fairfield Union ... Evan Conley
Alexander ... JK Kearns
Sheridan ... Ethan Heller ... as scorer 1st imo - a darn good one LOL

... I look at the list I have posted as those players who are pure PG's who "aren't" the show - the distribution of the ball, getting THE true scorers on the team the ball where THEY can score , feeding the post ... there are PG's out there who "ARE THE SHOW" without their scoring the TEAM struggles - Alex Blanton for Piketon fits THIS mold imo ... Brewster for Western Pike ... then you have teams that are full of guards - Logan Elm with Jeremy Wietlemann/Jason Sailor/Isaac Ward/Gabe Chaffin ... the LE motion offense makes them ALL PG's/scoring guards/ & G/F's ... same with Trimble with Brayden Weber/Jeremiah Brown/Cam Kittle/Sawyer Koons/ Blake Guffey ... the motion offense make them all PG/G/F's ...
You are the one that can truly " GRADE PLAYERS " and you have done a great job on this and all your other run downs . Keep up the good work ! Enjoy the POST SEASON.
... thank you ! Truth&fiction - I appreciate that ... you know ME ! - the POST SEASON is my time of the year ...

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:12 pm
by Hoopie74
Point guards for sure are the leaders of the teams. They can make you or break you. Now is when the cream rises to the top. Here's to my two favorite guards: Weston Browning and Cody Remington. Good luck guys!!!

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:59 pm
by allamericanironman
Caleb Wallis #1.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:25 am
by Bud07
All 4 teams in the district finals for D2 this year have excellent point guards I don't think that's a coincidence.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:40 am
by Bballfanseo
D2 Point Guards in District Finals

Wallis and Heller
Wallis is a tough dude. However, I think you can only try to slow Heller down. He is going to get his. Wallis will have to keep him from getting other guys involved.

Evans and Conley
I think Evans gets the best of this matchup. He is just too diverse and strong for Conley to handle. His hesitation and change of speed is really impressive. He can get about any shot he wants on the floor.

Re: Point Guards

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:23 am
by Bud07
Bballfanseo wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:40 am D2 Point Guards in District Finals

Wallis and Heller
Wallis is a tough dude. However, I think you can only try to slow Heller down. He is going to get his. Wallis will have to keep him from getting other guys involved.

Evans and Conley
I think Evans gets the best of this matchup. He is just too diverse and strong for Conley to handle. His hesitation and change of speed is really impressive. He can get about any shot he wants on the floor.
Evans does change his speed really well. He is a great player. Don't sell Conley short. He has been playing great. He has been an animal defensively as of late and he can create his own shot about any time he wants as well. I have been really impressed with his leadership. This will be a great matchup.