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Friday's hearing to discuss Courtney Smith's complaint against Zach has been postponed to Sept. 14 after both sides agreed to an expedited discovery process to assess her claims. Zach Smith is set to appear in court Aug. 22 for a hearing associated with the criminal trespassing charge.


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I've heard it is not a Title IX offense because Courtney was not an employee or student at Ohio State. OK, so why the hair on fire firing of Zach Smith when Courtney (divorced then) filed for a protection order? And then why did Urban deny a few days later that there was NOTHING to the 2015 issue? Why would he even reference 2015? If Zach is TOTALLY innocent, why inflict the death penalty on his career? WHY? Something stinks here and I want a satisfactory explanation. OSU doesn't need this stink on it's program.


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Why when a woman makes a accusation dobwe have to drag her through the mud. Most abused women are drunks or druggies it is what they do to live with the abuse. I have no idea if this woman is telling the truth or not.

But if either side of this story is correct who is watching out for the kids... the answer is sounds like no one. Ifveither side is correct and anyone knew why did. No one do anything.

Let’s say your right and she is all made up lies and she is the bad one her husband is a piece of crap for leaving kids there and even if urban knew this it is just as bad.

Tsomerhing here just smells wrong


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Don't think this is just a pox on tOSU. This is a warning to all big programs. On top of Penn St. and Louisville BB, this is the notification to big school programs that the landscape of college sports has changed. Why doesn't college baseball have issues like this? Because MLB has a legitimate minor league system in addition to college. If the NFL and the NBA had legitimate minor leagues, instead of relying solely on college to give free development of "amateur " athletes to them, we might not have this level of pressure to win at all costs.


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Bleeding Red wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:59 pm
She should move to Michigan and date their coaches. Cause we all know they cant beat anyone from Ohio.
Wow, pure class there. You've completely lost your legitimate voice on this with that one.


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Urban Meyer has said “there was nothing” to reports of a 2015 incident.
Meyer commented from a podium at Big Ten Media Days in late July 2018, after he was asked about Smith, who’s the grandson of former Buckeyes coach and Meyer mentor Earle Bruce:

In 2015, I got a text late last night that something happened in 2015, and there was nothing — unless, once again, there’s nothing — once again, I don’t know who creates a story like that.




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dazed&confused wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:02 am
Bleeding Red wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:59 pm
She should move to Michigan and date their coaches. Cause we all know they cant beat anyone from Ohio.
Wow, pure class there. You've completely lost your legitimate voice on this with that one.
What I posted about Courtney Smith is from a very reliable source in Columbus, close to the program. The facts are certainly legitimate.

If that report of her actions and character is wrong, I will be the first to apologize. Until then, I have my opinion and what I believe is her motive (money). You cant argue the fact that this had NOTHING to do with Urban or OSU until Zach was fired and her money dried up (or was about to dry up).

Having said that, I will reply to your other question.

I hardly think that Zach is a saint. The reports are they were both very heavy drinkers and fought all the time. Does it make it right if he hit/abused her? Absolutely not. I am 100% against any type of physical abuse/emotional abuse of any woman.

My issue isnt the alleged abuse. Sadly it happens every day. My issue is how she spun this into making it look like it was all on Urban and OSU. Why isnt she going after Zach if he supposedly done this? Because there is no money in that route.

This is an issue in major sports today. Woman makes a claim, athlete/coach is guilty until proven innocent, a payoff makes everyone happy. I am sure that some athletes are 100% guilty and some are 100% innocent in these claims. The problem is, they never get to the truth because the "victim" is only concerned about money.

She called the Powell PD 66 times in 90 days. They never found so much as a mark or scratch on her or any other sign of abuse/violence. The pictures she posted are from 2010, with no way to tell how they got there. YOU DONT THINK WOMEN PUT MARKS ON THEMSELVES AND CALL IT ABUSE IN THIS DAY AND AGE? Your living under a rock.

I dont really care if you like me or not. Look at the facts. Until I see evidence that Urban knew about the 2015 allegations I will comment as I want.

And for everyone who said "Urban lied".....did he? He was asked a question about 2015 and he said there "was nothing there". So Dazed.....why dont you prove that there was something there dude? Oh you cant....because its all alleged and there was never evidence or findings from the Powell PD of any abuse/violence when they went to the residence. Urban answered the question in a very generic and PR friendly way. There was nothing there. No arrest. No charges. No evidence.

BTW, they are required to do certain things when they respond to domestic calls if they find evidence of abuse, whether or not the other party decides to press charges there is still a record of what they found. In this case, there was none.

Obviously Zach Smith made some very poor decisions in late 2017 and 2018 that resulted in trespassing charges. There was evidence and charges were also filed. While still an allegation until he is found guilty in the court of law, there is a smoking gun there and Urban and OSU took the appropriate steps to cut the head off that snake.

2015 is a totally different situation all together. No evidence. No charges. Nothing. Yet the only reason it comes into play from this woman's standpoint and story is to loop Urban and OSU into it because that is where the money is.

Not once have I ever said (or would ever) say that any type of abuse on a woman is valid. It totally isnt. But I am not going to jump on the "Urban needs to be fired" bandwagon like some idiots who cant think on their own 2 feet and just take everything that E$PN and other Big Ten hating networks litter their shows with as the gospel when there is clearly much, much more to the story.

And I wont be eating at Bob Evans again either.

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Oh.....also verified that Courtney Smith had shown up numerous times at the OSU practice facility and to events completely smashed (settle down Dazed....as in drunk).

By the time the powers at be dig up this woman's dirt, Zach Smith may very well look like a saint. She brought this all upon herself when she went after Urban and OSU. And frankly, if what is being reported about her is true in all regards, I hope they burn her to the ground for making such accusations.

Until evidence proves that these allegations were true and Urban knew about it AND covered it up, I will not take her seriously. If you dont like it Dazed, by all means, block me. But I think you are going to see a very disturbed and money hungry woman by the time they wash the white off of her story.


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This is what I have noticed looking at this from an outsiders point of view and not being a fan of OSU:

1. OSU did the right thing putting Coach Meyer on administrative leave with pay.
2. It is obvious that Mrs. Meyer and other wives of coaches knew of the abuse from the text messages.
3. It IS NOT obvious that Coach Meyer knew of the most recent situation. He may have or he may not, that has to be proven.
4. Mandatory reporting is required by law in certain jobs. Mrs. Meyer is a mandatory reporter because of her job at OSU.
5. OSU and Coach Meyer are wise in not making any public comments until ALL THE FACTS are gathered.
6. Let the investigation runs its course before any decision is made to fire Coach Meyer. That seems to me what is taking place.

On a personal note, I would hope if something like this happened at Alabama, my home school, this would be reported immediately and dealt with, good or bad.


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Bleeding Red wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:02 am Oh.....also verified that Courtney Smith had shown up numerous times at the OSU practice facility and to events completely smashed (settle down Dazed....as in drunk).

By the time the powers at be dig up this woman's dirt, Zach Smith may very well look like a saint. She brought this all upon herself when she went after Urban and OSU. And frankly, if what is being reported about her is true in all regards, I hope they burn her to the ground for making such accusations.

Until evidence proves that these allegations were true and Urban knew about it AND covered it up, I will not take her seriously. If you dont like it Dazed, by all means, block me. But I think you are going to see a very disturbed and money hungry woman by the time they wash the white off of her story.
Wow, calm down. It's not personal. Let's see what happens with the investigation. I'm just saying an accuser has to be taken seriously until everything shakes out. If she is making false accusations, we'll know that, too. But character assinations aren't serving anyone's purpose. It's a classic ploy of defense attorneys. Let that play out. I'm saying though that this isn't going to end well for Meyer. Why EVEN employ a known abuser in the first place and then put yourself in a position of having to deny you knew there were problems with him. AT FLORIDA. And then you bring him with you to tOSU.


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dazed&confused wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:30 am
YOU'RE TIGER BAIT wrote: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:12 am even if there was bruising how do I know she did not do that to herself. divorces are crazy, I been through one 37 years ago. it's a crazy world out there. and then you throw money into the mix, and it can get crazy.
Oh Bait, I want to give you benefit of the doubt. I don't want to go into too many details but in my personal life I know how women are controlled and terrified. Do you really think she would inflict bruises on herself? To what purpose would she do that? I think this deserves a day in court and I'm willing to wait for that but tOSU can't wait for that. In today's environment, they must act immediately to insulate themselves and provide time for a proper investigation. I hope the worst is not true in this but we must believe it is possible until proven otherwise. Like i said, we ain't dealing with the Woody era anymore. Do you want to be the next Penn St.?
dazed, I have never laid a hand on a woman. and never would. nor have I ever committed adultury and never would. so please give me the benefit of the doubt here. and it is very possible to self inflict a wound, especially during a bitter divorce or break up. when money is involved. maybe I watch too much tv. but I don't trust anybody anymore. and you already know why that is in fact a possibility.especially nowadays with custody battles for kids. I think they all deserve their day in court. heaven forbid this actually was happening. if so we can't form opinion's we were not there. there is nothing worse than a abusive parent, or spouse. but nobody knows what happened, just trying to give another point of view, if that were a possibility.who's to say she wasn't hitting him or throwing something at him. it's just impossible to say. I have nothing for a man who abuses his spouse or kids. and have actually manhandled more than a few of them back in the day when asked. but that's way in my past. and nobody wants another penn state. and then you have the alledged abuse by an ohio state wrestling coach, penn state situation, and the Michigan state allegations about the gymnastics coach. I pray for the family involved. I think urban very well could become a sacrificial lamb here. and nobody knows all the details now but than couple.


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I'm not on trial. Neither is Courtney. Zach Smith was fired by Meyer. Meyer is now on leave, under investigation. I am a fan of OSU football. But if the facts shake out that something was wrong with the coach and administration, let the consequences fall where they may. If not, great. But this will leave a mark, either way.


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alabama mike wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:19 am This is what I have noticed looking at this from an outsiders point of view and not being a fan of OSU:

1. OSU did the right thing putting Coach Meyer on administrative leave with pay.
2. It is obvious that Mrs. Meyer and other wives of coaches knew of the abuse from the text messages.
3. It IS NOT obvious that Coach Meyer knew of the most recent situation. He may have or he may not, that has to be proven.
4. Mandatory reporting is required by law in certain jobs. Mrs. Meyer is a mandatory reporter because of her job at OSU.
5. OSU and Coach Meyer are wise in not making any public comments until ALL THE FACTS are gathered.
6. Let the investigation runs its course before any decision is made to fire Coach Meyer. That seems to me what is taking place.

On a personal note, I would hope if something like this happened at Alabama, my home school, this would be reported immediately and dealt with, good or bad.
That's a pretty solid outside observation. Hopefully we will see a Meyer/Saban game come January


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I don't want to have to read about this. I don't want to have to comment on this. I want to talk about OSU football. I want to get excited about a possible run to a National Championship. I can't until we get past this crap. To pretend this isn't happening or it's some great conspiracy against tOSU is folly. We need answers, not radio silence. We'll let it play out. In the meantime, the clock is ticking. Recruits are watching. The coach WE HAVE is preparing for the season opener TODAY. Let's not talk about Urban until this gets settled. It's a new DAY at tOSU.


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dazed&confused wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:50 am
Bleeding Red wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:02 am Oh.....also verified that Courtney Smith had shown up numerous times at the OSU practice facility and to events completely smashed (settle down Dazed....as in drunk).

By the time the powers at be dig up this woman's dirt, Zach Smith may very well look like a saint. She brought this all upon herself when she went after Urban and OSU. And frankly, if what is being reported about her is true in all regards, I hope they burn her to the ground for making such accusations.

Until evidence proves that these allegations were true and Urban knew about it AND covered it up, I will not take her seriously. If you dont like it Dazed, by all means, block me. But I think you are going to see a very disturbed and money hungry woman by the time they wash the white off of her story.
Wow, calm down. It's not personal. Let's see what happens with the investigation. I'm just saying an accuser has to be taken seriously until everything shakes out. If she is making false accusations, we'll know that, too. But character assinations aren't serving anyone's purpose. It's a classic ploy of defense attorneys. Let that play out. I'm saying though that this isn't going to end well for Meyer. Why EVEN employ a known abuser in the first place and then put yourself in a position of having to deny you knew there were problems with him. AT FLORIDA. And then you bring him with you to tOSU.
Nothing personal here and I am always calm.

I just tend to look at all sides of the story before saying someone should get crap canned. Given what is ultimately going to come out about Courtney Smith (That ESPN will never report btw) I think that the woman is a crazy drunk looking for a paycheck and its not too hard to connect the dots.

You are allowed to have your opinion and so am I. I agree that the accuser should be taken seriously, up until the time the dots are connected between her motive (money), the timeline, why charges were never pressed if he was beating on her.

Character assassinations will go both ways. She clearly had no issue going after Urban's character, the character of tOSU football program, etc. I see no reason why her character (which appears to be severely flawed) isnt a big deciding factor in this. After all, its alleged and her character, key witnesses, the Powell PD reports will all be heavily weighed in all of this.

Zach is probably guilty of trespassing. He should have never went to her residence. Thats my assumption, and that is the only charge on him hear. Nothing DV related is even on display in this court hearing.

But there was evidence of that and OSU acted accordingly.

No hard feelings here, but keep in mind the character of all involved and the motives. Not just Zach Smith's.


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Anyone heard of Duke lacrosse?
Interesting story about the actual instance that got him fired, the violating the restraining order. They evidently had a mutual agreed upon drop off spot when returning kids after visits. He showed to return their son, she wasn’t there. She told him to just bring the child to her place. When he showed up she was waiting with her phone to snap the picture. Bam violation of restraining order. Find it kind of funny that Powell police are testifying for him in court case.


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alabama mike wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:19 am This is what I have noticed looking at this from an outsiders point of view and not being a fan of OSU:

1. OSU did the right thing putting Coach Meyer on administrative leave with pay.
2. It is obvious that Mrs. Meyer and other wives of coaches knew of the abuse from the text messages.
3. It IS NOT obvious that Coach Meyer knew of the most recent situation. He may have or he may not, that has to be proven.
4. Mandatory reporting is required by law in certain jobs. Mrs. Meyer is a mandatory reporter because of her job at OSU.
5. OSU and Coach Meyer are wise in not making any public comments until ALL THE FACTS are gathered.
6. Let the investigation runs its course before any decision is made to fire Coach Meyer. That seems to me what is taking place.

On a personal note, I would hope if something like this happened at Alabama, my home school, this would be reported immediately and dealt with, good or bad.
Alabama Mike, your post is well thought out and is concise. As you said, all we can do is let the investigation take its course.


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I have to question the legitimacy of that Bucknuts article about her being a drunk. I did a search in Delaware county court and there were no records on her. In Franklin county she has two minor records speeding and ACDA which means assured clear distance ahead. In the article I thought it said she was pulled over 3 times but not charged and given a ride home, which could explain why it didn't show but anybody that has that many troubles as the article claimed will have a rap sheet a mile long for everybody to see. It is also not being verified by any other media source that I know of. If she misused 911 that many times she would be charged for that too. It all sounds very fishy to me! Not saying she is an angel either but I know there are a lot of zealous fans out there that will go to extreme lengths to protect their team. I do think money was a mitigating factor for her not taking it farther and pressing charges long ago, but it doesn't excuse the fact Meyer signed a contract saying he would report anything he heard. Maybe he did tell someone for all we know but he didn't do a very good job explaining it at the BIG conference. I find it very hard to believe his wife didn''t say something to him, if she didn't her and Urbs don't have a very good marriage if she is hiding stuff from him.
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There are lots of people that drinks heavy everyday with major troubles and never gets into trouble with the law. Usually it's just brings family troubles that's kept on the down low behind their home doors. Something is not quite right about all these stories from the news. I don't know what to make of it just yet. Can't wait to see what the investigators bring to the table. Going to get interesting in the days ahead.


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