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What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:53 pm
by dilligaf
Any thoughts on this?

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:25 pm
by EasternDspy
It starts at lower levels the high school coach needs to be on fbd same page with the younger level coaches. Also summer camps for youth is key. Also when teams have success it gets other kids excited to play football.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:58 pm
by edforshey
Athletes vs Players

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:04 pm
by Burgfan/grad85
The system that is in place and a bunch of dedicated coaches willing to spend countless hours with the kids. Also very important is the community support!

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:12 pm
by NYBuckeye96
The younger levels are key. NY has traditionally dominated all levels down to the early grades.

Some schools have had classes that played NY every year from third grade to twelfth grade and never once beat NY.

I am going to assume other traditionally strong programs have had similar experiences.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:39 pm
by VetteMan
Burgfan/grad85 wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:04 pm
The system that is in place and a bunch of dedicated coaches willing to spend countless hours with the kids. Also very important is the community support!
I Agree! Mayby sometimes the community support is overlooked a little. A perfect example is the Burg, it's the kids ( Boys & Girls ) the Parents, and the Fans. I've always said they have " The Refuse To Lose Mentality ".

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:42 pm
by FANOSPORTS
edforshey wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:58 pm
Athletes vs Players
8-) Bottom line, correct. (Coaches, camps, work habits, etc. can turn a team into a perennial above .500 winning team and help tremendously but the old adage " Jimmies & Joe's not X's and O's" will always stand as far as championship caliber teams go regardless of level).

** CB is starting to help in this state a little with total numbers but schools that basically "cheat" the system internally with "some new players" while at the same time keeping school numbers stable yearly always seem to stay on or near the top and we all know who these schools are. **

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:27 pm
by portsmouth_98
There is a lot that goes into it. There have been many times the last 10 years where I saw Portsmouth field teams stocked with great athletes and lose game after game. I know there is a difference between football players and athletes but we have had a lot of talented teams win 2 or 3 games for the season.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:36 pm
by 55buckeyes98
Comes down to coaching (motivators) weight room commitment, community support, kids not focusing on one sport, etc etc so many little things

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:31 pm
by Burgfan/grad85
VetteMan wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:39 pm
Burgfan/grad85 wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:04 pm
The system that is in place and a bunch of dedicated coaches willing to spend countless hours with the kids. Also very important is the community support!
I Agree! Mayby sometimes the community support is overlooked a little. A perfect example is the Burg, it's the kids ( Boys & Girls ) the Parents, and the Fans. I've always said they have " The Refuse To Lose Mentality ".
I totally agree! Not very many teams around that has the fan base that Burg does especially not in scioto county. 9 times out of 10 when Burg travels they have more fans than the home team has.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:19 pm
by FANOSPORTS
Burgfan/grad85 wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:31 pm
VetteMan wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:39 pm
Burgfan/grad85 wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:04 pm
The system that is in place and a bunch of dedicated coaches willing to spend countless hours with the kids. Also very important is the community support!
I Agree! Mayby sometimes the community support is overlooked a little. A perfect example is the Burg, it's the kids ( Boys & Girls ) the Parents, and the Fans. I've always said they have " The Refuse To Lose Mentality ".
I totally agree! Not very many teams around that has the fan base that Burg does especially not in scioto county. 9 times out of 10 when Burg travels they have more fans than the home team has.
Much like Ironton did years ago plus you get the "fring casual fans" from other towns around the area who just like to see good football on any given friday night. It's amazing what happens if you're a winning program.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:50 pm
by NY Tomcat
Some schools it's superior talent than what the opponents have, and some it's superior coaching. I can think of one of each in the immediate area.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:22 pm
by VetteMan
NY Tomcat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:50 pm
Some schools it's superior talent than what the opponents have, and some it's superior coaching. I can think of one of each in the immediate area.
I think we would all agree that it takes some of everything that everyone has posted on this topic. The Talent has to be there, the Coaching has to be there, hopefully the support is always there. A lot of schools when the talent is there, can have a good run of 3 or 4 years, then mayby have to go back to square one when the talent moves on. To me that's the difference, there are a few schools that are able to sustain that success year after year,regardless of how much talent moves on each year.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:49 pm
by carbon_dated
more Jimmy's than Joe's?

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:23 am
by OSU22
EasternDspy wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:25 pm
It starts at lower levels the high school coach needs to be on fbd same page with the younger level coaches. Also summer camps for youth is key. Also when teams have success it gets other kids excited to play football.
This this this x 1,000

Plus throw in the understanding of the game. You can have great athletes or players but if they don’t understand the game then why play. It can be little things too, knowing down and distance, understanding knocking down a pass at the 1 yard line is better for the team than an INT, stuff like that.

But the youth level thing is SPOT ON!

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:43 pm
by svac83
I think youth football is a key but disagree that they have to be on same page as a high school coach. What you need is youth football teaching every kid strong basics of every position. Even in junior high. The starting right tackle and biggest blocker on team in 7th grade. Was a stud QB by our junior year and probably didn’t way 15 lbs more then in 7th grade. And the littlest kid on my 7th grade class was a 3 year starter at center in high school.

Besides that I think it is about a culture and that culture starts with head coach and he needs the players the schooand community to buy in. You might not always have the best talent but when you see how that works talent is attracted to that atmosphere.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:58 pm
by Older bird
I really think in my area (TVC) it’s what I call generational players. The last names don’t change. Trimble for example. Core group are same families. And when other teams have good years it’s names that have been there before. I use Trimble for this example because they Good year n year out. And those names just never change. I played against Fouts 20+ years ago. And there are still Fouts playing today.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:31 pm
by efarns
Call it "coaching" or "the program," but it's no mystery.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:57 pm
by bfry
Coaching is vastly overrated. Not saying it is negligible. But overrated.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:00 pm
by svac83
bfry wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:57 pm
Coaching is vastly overrated. Not saying it is negligible. But overrated.
I think anyone who has followed Gallia academy last 10 years would beg to differ. When we had the right coaches very successful when we did not we were horrible. And there actually was quite a bit of talent on those bad teams

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:58 am
by loganlocos
Culture. Culture. Culture.

And culture is created by the Head Coach and HAS to be fully supported by staff, school administration, parents, and the community.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:17 am
by sapientia et veritas
100% coaching. Hartley had the same kinds of players then as they do now from 1980-2008 with only one championship to show for it. That coach is in the high school coaches hall of fame.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:20 pm
by efarns
bfry wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:57 pm
Coaching is vastly overrated. Not saying it is negligible. But overrated.
What do you mean by that? Most people are saying it's coaching, but you disagree. I'm interested to hear what you mean.

Re: What makes some schools good every year and some not so good every year

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:46 pm
by bfry
All I'm saying is, in the hierarchy of program success, good coaching, in my opinion, is not at the top. Again, it is not negligible, but not the greatest determining factor of overall success. Does a coach have to be very competent, absolutely yes.