Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

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Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by Dundas » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:20 am

Since the Athens/Wellston thread has been pretty much all about Athens schedule, I thought I’d do some research on the TVC since Athens has joined.

*I did omit Belpre as they moved to the hocking after the 2009 season.

Conference Championships

N-York 5
Athens 5
Alexander 1
VC, Meigs, Wellston, RV 0

TVC records since 2008 thru week 7 of 2018

Athens 49-10
N-York 46-13
Meigs 32-28
Alexander 24-36
Wellston 23-36
Vinton Co 13-46
River Valley 9-19

Overall records since 2008

Athens 84-23
N-York 73-34
Meigs 53-54
Alexander 52-55
Wellston 43-64
Vinton Co 26-81
River Valley 21-26 (since joining the TVC)

Number of games against teams with winning records since 2008

Wellston 50
N-York 46
Vinton Co 45
Meigs 44
Alexander 41
Athens 33
River Valley 16 (since joining the TVC)

Overall record vs teams with winning records since 2008

Athens 17-16
N-York 17-29
Alexander 12-29
Meigs 4-40
Wellston 4-46
River Valley 2-14 (since joining the TVC)
Vinton Co 1-44

Diving deeper into some Athens numbers

Athens is 58-16 against smaller schools since 2008.
Athens is 36-3 against smaller schools with losing records.
Athens has 3 wins over schools the same size or bigger with winning records.

Again, all of these numbers are from 2008 through week 7 2018.

Just for fun, if Athens had not joined the TVC, the championship totals would be,

N-York 8
Alexander 2
Meigs 1
VC, Wellston, RV 0

Also, since 2008, every TVC Ohio team has finished last at least once except for Athens. Their lowest finish in the TVC was 3rd in 2008. They have been first or second every year after.



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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by FANOSPORTS » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:22 am

Dundas wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:20 am
Since the Athens/Wellston thread has been pretty much all about Athens schedule, I thought I’d do some research on the TVC since Athens has joined.

*I did omit Belpre as they moved to the hocking after the 2009 season.

Conference Championships

N-York 5
Athens 5
Alexander 1
VC, Meigs, Wellston, RV 0

TVC records since 2008 thru week 7 of 2018

Athens 49-10
N-York 46-13
Meigs 32-28
Alexander 24-36
Wellston 23-36
Vinton Co 13-46
River Valley 9-19

Overall records since 2008

Athens 84-23
N-York 73-34
Meigs 53-54
Alexander 52-55
Wellston 43-64
Vinton Co 26-81
River Valley 21-26 (since joining the TVC)

Number of games against teams with winning records since 2008

Wellston 50
N-York 46
Vinton Co 45
Meigs 44
Alexander 41
Athens 33
River Valley 16 (since joining the TVC)

Overall record vs teams with winning records since 2008

Athens 17-16
N-York 17-29
Alexander 12-29
Meigs 4-40
Wellston 4-46
River Valley 2-14 (since joining the TVC)
Vinton Co 1-44

Diving deeper into some Athens numbers

Athens is 58-16 against smaller schools since 2008.
Athens is 36-3 against smaller schools with losing records.
Athens has 3 wins over schools the same size or bigger with winning records.

Again, all of these numbers are from 2008 through week 7 2018.

Just for fun, if Athens had not joined the TVC, the championship totals would be,

N-York 8
Alexander 2
Meigs 1
VC, Wellston, RV 0

Also, since 2008, every TVC Ohio team has finished last at least once except for Athens. Their lowest finish in the TVC was 3rd in 2008. They have been first or second every year after.
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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by RVRaiderFan » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:33 am

Nice Dundas!!

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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by ShoeHorn » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:39 pm

I assume you left off all of Athens playoff games on purpose? Athens beat 4 teams the same size of them with a winning record just in 2014.



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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by FANOSPORTS » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:46 pm

ShoeHorn wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:39 pm
I assume you left off all of Athens playoff games on purpose? Athens beat 4 teams the same size of them with a winning record just in 2014.
We all know that was a magical year with a D1 QB very rarely seen in SEO and they would have won a conference title in many conferences that year. It's a once in a lifetime season. Now, Let's get back to the original post being realistic !!!!!


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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by Barber1973 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:23 pm

3 D1 athletes from the same high school team probly never c it again in this area.



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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by footballfan » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:39 pm

Interesting regular season numbers. Just shows that Athens needs to beef up their non conference schedule. However, then they might not win 8-9 games a year if they play teams their size with a decent record.



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Post by 93Bulldog » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Everybody jumps on Athens until they show up on Fridays with twice as many fans as most other TVC schools. I'm pretty sure AD's don't mind when the Bulldog faithful arrive & fill a gym on Tuesday nights. I'm also pretty sure the athletes, coaches, etc ... like having Athens host a lot of the TVC events, especially track. Great facilities, centrally located. The stats above proves they didn't come into the league & dominate. NY has just as many football titles & VC has more basketball titles and Alexander girls have more everything.



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Post by Kicker. » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:00 pm

Barber1973 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:23 pm
3 D1 athletes from the same high school team probly never c it again in this area.

That's what's mind blowing about that team


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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by Dundas » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:20 pm

ShoeHorn wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:39 pm
I assume you left off all of Athens playoff games on purpose? Athens beat 4 teams the same size of them with a winning record just in 2014.
These are regular season numbers. The talk was Athens schedule so that’s what I looked into. Ny and Athens definitely have the best playoff success in the TVC.



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Post by 93Bulldog » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:21 pm

Kicker. wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:00 pm
Barber1973 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:23 pm
3 D1 athletes from the same high school team probly never c it again in this area.

That's what's mind blowing about that team
The slot back, Saltzmen, is playing at Georgetown
The center played 4 years at Capital
And it's 4 D1 players. Trae at Northwestern. Joe at LSU. The twins both play at OU.
The 4th WR, Wiseman (who owns state record with 7 TD's in one game) could have played small college like Capital, but elected to go to the military



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Post by noreply66 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:29 pm

RVRaiderFan wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:33 am
Nice Dundas!!

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he may not want to take your joy away from you.


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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by ArmChairQB » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:33 pm

93Bulldog wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:21 pm
Kicker. wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:00 pm
Barber1973 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:23 pm
3 D1 athletes from the same high school team probly never c it again in this area.

That's what's mind blowing about that team
The slot back, Saltzmen, is playing at Georgetown
The center played 4 years at Capital
And it's 4 D1 players. Trae at Northwestern. Joe at LSU. The twins both play at OU.
The 4th WR, Wiseman (who owns state record with 7 TD's in one game) could have played small college like Capital, but elected to go to the military
Exactly what record does Saltzman hold?



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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by Ironman92 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:39 pm

Number of games vs teams with a winning record.....is that final regular season record?

How does Athens only have 33? Lol that’s unbelievable



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Post by Barber1973 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:41 pm

Its been since the studs left that i seen athens fill up a stadium on the road. Hope yall dont have a couple down years cause i remember the last years athens was in the old league u could hear a pen drop at ur home side



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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by Dundas » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:13 pm

Ironman92 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:39 pm
Number of games vs teams with a winning record.....is that final regular season record?

How does Athens only have 33? Lol that’s unbelievable
Yes that’s final regular season records of opponents. These are also regular season numbers for Athens as well as the rest of the TVC.



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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by Older bird » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:15 pm

If the original argument was Athens is too big. Then I’d like to see the numbers for Trimble on Hocking side. We all know they aren’t way bigger in school size than ther league. Just better. So maybe Athens is just better with better coaching.



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Post by Dundas » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:21 pm

Older bird wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:15 pm
If the original argument was Athens is too big. Then I’d like to see the numbers for Trimble on Hocking side. We all know they aren’t way bigger in school size than ther league. Just better. So maybe Athens is just better with better coaching.
I’m not making an argument, only throwing out numbers. Trimble, I’m sure, over the last 10-15 years has dominated the Hocking as much or more than Athens in the Ohio. They are one of the smallest Hocking schools. If you take away Athens, NY has still dominated the TVC Ohio and they too are the smallest school in the division. Numbers make a difference but don’t tel the entire story. I’m just putting information out there so people can see and it’s up to them to decide why/how Athens has been so dominant over the last 10 years since joining the TVC. It’s all about conversation and this topic has been and will continue to be a popular discussion. I like hearing both sides!



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Post by Raider6309 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Ironman92 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:39 pm
Number of games vs teams with a winning record.....is that final regular season record?

How does Athens only have 33? Lol that’s unbelievable
Because Jackson, Bloom Carroll, Watkins, Chillicothe, Logan, Parkersburg South, Zanesville, Waverly, Gallia, and Warren arent very good at always having a winning record.

That's kind of a dumb way to look at quality opponents since the teams above would be worth less than Wahama, Coal Grove, and Fed Hock.



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Post by Orange and Brown » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:47 pm

Dundas wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:21 pm
Older bird wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:15 pm
If the original argument was Athens is too big. Then I’d like to see the numbers for Trimble on Hocking side. We all know they aren’t way bigger in school size than ther league. Just better. So maybe Athens is just better with better coaching.
I’m not making an argument, only throwing out numbers. Trimble, I’m sure, over the last 10-15 years has dominated the Hocking as much or more than Athens in the Ohio. They are one of the smallest Hocking schools. If you take away Athens, NY has still dominated the TVC Ohio and they too are the smallest school in the division. Numbers make a difference but don’t tel the entire story. I’m just putting information out there so people can see and it’s up to them to decide why/how Athens has been so dominant over the last 10 years since joining the TVC. It’s all about conversation and this topic has been and will continue to be a popular discussion. I like hearing both sides!
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Post by Dundas » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:56 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:44 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:39 pm
Number of games vs teams with a winning record.....is that final regular season record?

How does Athens only have 33? Lol that’s unbelievable
Because Jackson, Bloom Carroll, Watkins, Chillicothe, Logan, Parkersburg South, Zanesville, Waverly, Gallia, and Warren arent very good at always having a winning record.

That's kind of a dumb way to look at quality opponents since the teams above would be worth less than Wahama, Coal Grove, and Fed Hock.

You have played Wahama, Coal Grove and Fed Hock in that time frame. All multiple times. 1-1 va Fed and Coal Gove and 2-0 vs Wahama.



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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by Ironman92 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:00 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:44 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:39 pm
Number of games vs teams with a winning record.....is that final regular season record?

How does Athens only have 33? Lol that’s unbelievable
Because Jackson, Bloom Carroll, Watkins, Chillicothe, Logan, Parkersburg South, Zanesville, Waverly, Gallia, and Warren arent very good at always having a winning record.

That's kind of a dumb way to look at quality opponents since the teams above would be worth less than Wahama, Coal Grove, and Fed Hock.
Yeah, Jackson with 25 losses in the decade being looked at. Awesome



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Re: Athens in the TVC: The Numbers

Post by Raider6309 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:08 pm

Jackson was 5-5. That's not a winning season



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Post by Poo Bear » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:11 pm

Don’t even argue with Raider , he’s a clown. He doesn’t represent Bulldog nation. Here’s an idea, Trimble to the TVC Ohio , maybe river valley down to the hocking ??



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Post by Orange and Brown » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:13 pm

Poo Bear wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:11 pm
Don’t even argue with Raider , he’s a clown. He doesn’t represent Bulldog nation. Here’s an idea, Trimble to the TVC Ohio , maybe river valley down to the hocking ??
Trimble doesn't want to and honestly why should they?
They are a small D7 school.


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