SOC realignment

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SOC realignment

Post by rolltribe » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:48 pm

There are only 5 teams in the SOC II while the is 7 in the SOC I. As we've seen in the past few years it's been difficult to fill games week 6-10. Burg travelled to Cincinnati to play north college hill, west played Batavia, and valley played pikeville this year. Last year valley couldn't even find a game and had an open week. What needs to be done? Do we add a school in football only? Or is NW or Oak Hill made to move up?



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Re: SOC realignment

Post by BiddyBallDaddy » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:46 am

You force Oak Hill to move up. They are bigger than the majority of schools in SOC 2 currently.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by GoBucks1047 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:22 am

I don't see the SOC adding anyone football-only in SOC II, but Manchester could be added to SOC I for football only to help the SOC I get to 8. Oak Hill wouldn't be able to compete in SOC II year in and year out like the other SOC II do. Northwest currently has no chance in SOC II football now the way their program turned this year.

Personally, I'd prefer the SOC add Portsmouth to SOC II in all sports, drop South Webster (no football) down to SOC I and then add Ironton St. Joe (no football, after they improve their outdoor sports facilities) and Manchester to SOC I in football-only to keep SOC II in non-football sports at 8 and get football to 6, while SOC I would be at 8 in football and at 10 in non-football sports (do 2 divisions in SOC I to travel can be cut down in non-football sports). Won't happen though, Portsmouth is happy in the OVC.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by GoBucks1047 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:27 am

Just thought of another idea, still won't happen, but put Ironton in the SOC II for football only and put Oak Hill in the OVC football only. I'm sure that would require a league merger that should happen, but won't.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by one Oak » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:42 am

These are the boys enrollment figures according to the OHSAA

Valley 128
Wheelersburg 147
Oak Hill 152
Northwest 157
Minford 175
Portsmouth West 184
Waverly 217

I would like for Oak Hill to move to the TVC Ohio that currently has 7 members. South Gallia could move to the SOC I and Portsmouth could go to the SOC II. Oak Hill and Northwest shouldn't be in the SOC I and but it would be difficult for either one to compete in the SOC II right now. Wheelersburg has dominated the SOC II. Check the all time records on burgfan.com.

A merger of the OVC and SOC II for football only could work, but I don't think the OVC schools would think there is a need to do so since it appears to be competitive as it is.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by 4thgoal » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:47 pm

It has been mentioned before, but I think it is a good idea. If you win the SOC1, you trade places with the last place team in the SOC2 the following year. Make each SOC have 6 teams and let it sort itself out.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by rolltribe » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:51 pm

TVC just added Warren in football only no way they would add the Oaks. And people said Valley wouldn't be able to compete either when they moved up.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Bleeding Red » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:52 pm

Oak Hill is the obvious choice to flip to SOC 2.

Why are they scared to move up and what is the excuse? Is limping into the playoffs only to get their doors blown off after beating the Greens and other small schools that important ?

And why doesn't the SOC just force it to happen, or at least to be voted on?

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Crab's Brother » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:21 pm

If the SOC were to "force" anything, it would have to force Valley to move down. The bylaws state it goes on enrollment.

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Post by Bleeding Red » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:05 pm

Crab's Brother wrote:If the SOC were to "force" anything, it would have to force Valley to move down. The bylaws state it goes on enrollment.

Can't move someone down. That's adding to the problem this thread is addressing.

What messed everything up was covering up Northwests disastrous football program. The league should be balanced team wise between the 2 divisions .

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by fbnut » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:29 pm

Crab's Brother wrote:If the SOC were to "force" anything, it would have to force Valley to move down. The bylaws state it goes on enrollment.
How did NW move down?

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Mavrick2016 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:42 pm

I don't care if Northwest can't win in SOC II, they don't belong in SOC I. Oak Hill is also to big to play in SOC I. they belong in SOC II. Move both up.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Omega » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:51 pm

If the SOC ain't broke, why fix it? Scheduling will never be easy and competitive balance will never be perfect. Playing armchair AD or Commissioner is easy, doing the real job, not so much. Ask the former power brokers in the SEOAL.
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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Bleeding Red » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:34 pm

fbnut wrote:
Crab's Brother wrote:If the SOC were to "force" anything, it would have to force Valley to move down. The bylaws state it goes on enrollment.
How did NW move down?
Crab's??????

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by one Oak » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:44 pm

I realize that any solution that involves another league probably isn't going to happen anytime soon because the TVC Ohio and the OVC don't think they have any issue to resolve. The same with the SVC. It's only the SOC that has issues. I don't think Oak Hill or Northwest will voluntarily move up since they are doing what is best for them.

As for Oak Hill making the playoffs and getting blown out, that only happened once and that was against Bishop Ready. The Oaks were regional runner up in 2010 and made it to the second round the other two times they made the playoffs.

On the Burg schedule thread there are some posts stating that Burg needs to drop Oak Hill and some others from their non-conference schedule to pick up tougher opponents. Would Burg fans really want the Oaks as a league opponent?

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Crab's Brother » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:05 pm

Northwest asked to move down. The post I referenced used the world force. Huge difference.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Game day » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:04 am

SOC needs to add teams to the league without a doubt.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by king kong » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:12 am

Who would want to join the SOC right now? Portsmouth laughed at the Soc for years in their hay day, then when the plight of southeast Ohio came, they wanted in, but the memories of that mockery kept them out. That will probably hurt the Soc's chances of adding a team.

Name one team, not already in a leagu, within a 30 mile radius of Scioto county that would be a good fit?

I can't find one team!

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Crab's Brother » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:55 am

king kong wrote:Who would want to join the SOC right now? Portsmouth laughed at the Soc for years in their hay day, then when the plight of southeast Ohio came, they wanted in, but the memories of that mockery kept them out. That will probably hurt the Soc's chances of adding a team.

Name one team, not already in a leagu, within a 30 mile radius of Scioto county that would be a good fit?

I can't find one team!
Is there even a school within 30 miles of Scioto County that isn't in a league?

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by js7_22 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:21 pm

Manchester wants in, but the powers that be won't have it.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by king kong » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:06 pm

Manchester to Green or Symmes Valley would be a nightmare of a trip!

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Game day » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:05 pm

Go across the river you may get a team. If not the league especially the soc II is not looking good.
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Post by GoBucks1047 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:06 pm

Ironton St. Joe is independent and applies every so often trying to get into SOC I, but gets rejected. Manchester football-only to SOC I isn't too bad of an idea as they play Symmes Valley, Green, and Notre Dame on an annual basis, but that hasn't worked out thus far.

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Post by GoBucks1047 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:28 pm

And KY teams are out, they have to play a certain number of district games and have to play a set schedule set up for their schools or I think they would risk not being in postseason playoffs or tournaments. Otherwise, I think Raceland (D6 in Ohio) would be in the OVC already since most schools their size are in Ohio except for Fairview (Ashland, KY). I think the next closest school their size after Fairview in KY is Pikeville. Raceland and Fairview in KY are basically on an island separated from other schools their size.

If the OVC really wanted to, they could turn themselves into a solid 12-14 team league if they could get aggressive with expansion if they could convince Fairview and Raceland to join from KY, add Oak Hill and River Valley, and then maybe even add Ironton St. Joe and Symmes Valley as well dropping the SOC down to 14 members (10 in football, 11 if Manchester joined football only) while the OVC would be at 14 members (13 in football). Clearly won't happen, but would make things certainly interesting in the area if something that extreme ever happened.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Volunteer » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:14 pm

king kong wrote:Manchester to Green or Symmes Valley would be a nightmare of a trip!
Manchester has played green, Norte dame, and symmes valley the last few years.

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Post by greygoose » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:05 pm

js7_22 wrote:Manchester wants in, but the powers that be won't have it.

LOL, don't be so sure on that one. You'll see Manchester in the SOC sooner rather then later

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by greygoose » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:06 pm

king kong wrote:Manchester to Green or Symmes Valley would be a nightmare of a trip!
No more of a nightmare then teams traveling all back roads to get to Oak Hill or Oak Hill coming down. :roll:

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by js7_22 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:08 pm

greygoose wrote:
js7_22 wrote:Manchester wants in, but the powers that be won't have it.

LOL, don't be so sure on that one. You'll see Manchester in the SOC sooner rather then later
Not so sure it happens any time soon...

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Post by greygoose » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:47 pm

Volunteer wrote:
king kong wrote:Manchester to Green or Symmes Valley would be a nightmare of a trip!
Manchester has played green, Norte dame, and symmes valley the last few years.
Add East to that list as well. Haven't last 2 years I believe it is.

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Post by P(irate) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:15 pm

4thgoal wrote:It has been mentioned before, but I think it is a good idea. If you win the SOC1, you trade places with the last place team in the SOC2 the following year. Make each SOC have 6 teams and let it sort itself out.
I would go for it. The only problem is when you get a ND with 22 kids winning the SOCI with mostly seniors, you end up with an absolute slaughtering schedule for them the next year. I like the idea of it. But it really wouldn't work. Could you imagine Green playing Burg? East? ND? The list could go on. On paper it looks great, but after 1 year everyone in SOCI will want out.
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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Volunteer » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:58 pm

greygoose wrote:
Volunteer wrote:
king kong wrote:Manchester to Green or Symmes Valley would be a nightmare of a trip!
Manchester has played green, Norte dame, and symmes valley the last few years.
Add East to that list as well. Haven't last 2 years I believe it is.
North Adams and west union now have football programs but are both club programs. They could get Fayetteville along with Manchester to form a shac football league in the next 2-3 years

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Post by GoBucks1047 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:30 pm

Eastern Brown also has a club team too, there's 5 of their 10 teams in the conference with some sort of football. I think if 1 more team started football and the other club teams upgraded to school-sponsored varsity football, they could have a decent 6-team football league started up, which would be primarily D6 and D7 with an occasional D5 team.

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Post by Jay Bruce » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:34 pm

Peebles is starting club football too next year from what I heard. Don't know much of the details, but that's what I heard.

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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Mad-Dogg » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:04 am

What exactly is a club team
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Re: SOC realignment

Post by Roy rogers » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:58 am

why not combine the soc 2 and the ovc , call it the sovc and have 2 divisions with cross division games . they basically all play each other anyways.

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