23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by nc green wave » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:14 pm

That's not an opinion it's an accusation. Have the guts to attempt to back it up.



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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:39 pm

Trust me all the kids on the Fort team live in the district. Not any open enrollment players just a great group of Srs that's been together for awhile.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by LICKING COUNTY FAN » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:02 pm

I love the crying fans do when it comes to private schools, but always have some loser type excuse as to why the open enrollment schools are OK.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:10 pm

It's not the Fort fans in here complaining.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Chalito » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:00 am

TVC wrote:I am entitled to my opinion and I share it with 80% of high school sports fans in Ohio.
Good luck Fort Frye beat the private school from Newark.

NC had some really good transfers in the earlier years. With football now being more competitive than it was in the 70's and 80's, many of the players stay in their home districts. The expansion of the playoffs and now with just about every team in Ohio working in the weight room, speed training, etc.., you really don't see any athletes transferring into NC. In the earlier years, if a kid really loved football, they may have transferred because they knew at NC they would almost be guaranteed 12-13-14 games of football instead of the basic 10 and it's over. Now, if your school has a good year you are still going to get 11-12 or even 13 games of you have a good season. In the past 5-10 years there has not been one transfer that has been a difference maker. The kids that went through the system were the kids that basically played and became the core of the team. The kid that transferred from the Newark County School this past year is a really good player, and he will be a huge weapon next year. Other than that, NC hasn't had a transfer that anyone could say has been a difference maker. You could look it up but with the exception of the Newark County 76 or 77 team, the only county school that ever made the playoffs through the 80's may have been L Valley in the late 80's. Be a good stat to look up to see when any of the county schools made the playoffs for the first time. NC was pretty much a playoff contender from the beginning of the OHSAA playoffs. Other than that, nobody made the playoffs until later. Granville had a 10-0 year and they didn't make it. Johnstown had a 10-0 year and they did not make it. Watkins may have had a couple playoff appearances in the 90's. Since 2000, just about every County school has had at least a couple playoff appearances. Heath has had a couple, Granville has had quite a few, L Valley was a power in the early 2000's, Newark even made an appearance in the early 2000's. Heights has been in the playoffs. The only teams that have not made the playoffs ever may be Northridge, Lakewood, and Utica. Other than that they have all had a couple playoff berths. Plus, NC used to rip right through the county for the most part but not anymore. Johnstown beats them about every year, Heath bullied them this past year. Valley beat them just about every year until this past year, and for the most part Heights and Watkins beats them every year. It wasn't that way in the golden era for NC. NC usually had a 10-0 or 9-1 season before they went to the playoffs and won the county league just about every year before it broke up. And every year the team to beat was usually a different county team, depending on who had a good class of seniors that year. To sum it up, NC really does not recruit. NC just doesn't have the edge they used to have. High School football is now an equal opportunity weight room-speed training sport. The next couple years will be some really tough years for NC, especially if they have to go D5 until Competitive Balance is scrapped.

Take a good look when you see NC and then make the assessment of whether or not you think they recruit. Ft. Frye can certainly play with them. It will be just a matter of how Ft Frye performs being in this spot for the first time ever>>>>I think so...correct me if I'm wrong)

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by LICKING COUNTY FAN » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:54 am

I have been to a Lakewood playoff game and to a Utica playoff game.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by nc green wave » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:27 am

Chalito - I was fortunate to play for NC back in the 80's and I can assure you that we had less transfers then than there are now. And typically those who transferred in couldn't cut it. And before certain posters start jumping all over me about transfers what I mean is getting kids from other Catholic feeder schools. This didn't happen back in the 80's but now folks that live in Pataskala or Reynoldsburg may choose to send their kids to NC rather than Hartley since the tuition is less at NC and the drive is closer or very close to the same. Also some of the parochial high schools have closed so you have Mt. Vernon as an example and those kids drive to NC as that is their closest option. That is my contention with the competitive balance proposal. If a kid was never a part of the public system then they should not be multiplied, especially if they are selecting the closest parochial high school. Something else that should be considered is the legacy factor if you have generations attending the school even though they may live outside of Newark. The idea of only choosing one feeder school is ludicrous, especially when the city of Newark has two parochial grade schools and only one parochial high school.

I always loved what JD Graham used to yell at us at practice - "I love these people that accuse us of recruiting. Do you think we would waste our money on you people?

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:34 am

Chalito is just trolling NC fans like he did River in week 1 of the playoffs when he said Ready would beat them by 40. Ok let's move this discussion to football. Can anyone list the NC starters grades height and weight.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Chalito » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:56 am

LICKING COUNTY FAN wrote:I have been to a Lakewood playoff game and to a Utica playoff game.
Sorry man. I obviously missed it. What were the years and what is their complete playoff record. Just curious. Also, did you miss Northridge or have they also made the playoffs. Also, have you ever played any level of organized football?
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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Chalito » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:59 am

nc green wave wrote:Chalito - I was fortunate to play for NC back in the 80's and I can assure you that we had less transfers then than there are now. And typically those who transferred in couldn't cut it. And before certain posters start jumping all over me about transfers what I mean is getting kids from other Catholic feeder schools. This didn't happen back in the 80's but now folks that live in Pataskala or Reynoldsburg may choose to send their kids to NC rather than Hartley since the tuition is less at NC and the drive is closer or very close to the same. Also some of the parochial high schools have closed so you have Mt. Vernon as an example and those kids drive to NC as that is their closest option. That is my contention with the competitive balance proposal. If a kid was never a part of the public system then they should not be multiplied, especially if they are selecting the closest parochial high school. Something else that should be considered is the legacy factor if you have generations attending the school even though they may live outside of Newark. The idea of only choosing one feeder school is ludicrous, especially when the city of Newark has two parochial grade schools and only one parochial high school.

I always loved what JD Graham used to yell at us at practice - "I love these people that accuse us of recruiting. Do you think we would waste our money on you people?
You must not be aware of some of the kids that transferred in the mid-late 70's. The 80's had a few but not many. There are very few transfers now. I could give you the list but you may not remember them. The 80's cooled off because of the 70's high profile type transfers. The only athlete that I know of that transferred in this year us the kid from Newark. I don't think there has been a transfer in the past 10 years at NC except for this kid.
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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:03 am

Fort Frye has never even played Grandview Heights in football. River did in 2015 and this year they came back in stronger with a loaded Sr class. I'm obviously not a players dad I'm actually a loyal fan of my team and mod of this website. Since you've been on this site you've done nothing but make outlandish comments to fire people up. This is going to be a great game. As a Cadet fan just playing a team like Newark Cath in a regional final is a dream come true.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Chalito » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:17 am

Chalito wrote:
EasternDspy wrote:Fort Frye has never even played Grandview Heights in football. River did in 2015 and this year they came back in stronger with a loaded Sr class. I'm obviously not a players dad I'm actually a loyal fan of my team and mod of this website. Since you've been on this site you've done nothing but make outlandish comments to fire people up. This is going to be a great game. As a Cadet fan just playing a team like Newark Cath in a regional final is a dream come true.
You made the troll comment. I gave an opinion and I was wrong and I admitted it. Kick me off then mod. And don't be fooled. We all know you have a son on the team. What number is he and what round do you expect him to be drafted in the NFL?
Outlandish comment? I'll give you that one regarding the running clock. I've seen some of those SE Ohio schools play especially D7 and for the most part it's not very good football. Do you disagree? But the Fact that the heralded Number 1 seed was beaten by the 8 seed is still a problem is it not?

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Chalito » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:22 am

I was being objective regarding the NC-FY. game but now I'll be subjective, as I have every right to be a NC fan as much as you do a Ft. Frye fan. Ft. Frye has a chance. That's all I'll say out of respect for the players. They have a chance and that's about it. This sounds like what I thought was a forgotten SE Ohio character trait now that SE Ohio has made a dent in this region. Your a poor example for the SE ED. Go ahead and kick me off Big Time Mod!!

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:28 am

Chalito wrote:
Chalito wrote:
EasternDspy wrote:Fort Frye has never even played Grandview Heights in football. River did in 2015 and this year they came back in stronger with a loaded Sr class. I'm obviously not a players dad I'm actually a loyal fan of my team and mod of this website. Since you've been on this site you've done nothing but make outlandish comments to fire people up. This is going to be a great game. As a Cadet fan just playing a team like Newark Cath in a regional final is a dream come true.
You made the troll comment. I gave an opinion and I was wrong and I admitted it. Kick me off then mod. And don't be fooled. We all know you have a son on the team. What number is he and what round do you expect him to be drafted in the NFL?
Outlandish comment? I'll give you that one regarding the running clock. I've seen some of those SE Ohio schools play especially D7 and for the most part it's not very good football. Do you disagree? But the Fact that the heralded Number 1 seed was beaten by the 8 seed is still a problem is it not?

In general it has been bad but Southeastern teams can have years where there up more then others. Teams such as Valley,River,Bellaire and Fort Frye that get a good group of Srs to build on for that one good year. I'm glad you've came around a little bit from when you 1sr joined. You can't just base how good a team is just based on who they've played. I personally don't know how good Fort Frye is. They have not really been challenged. Does that mean they're overrated and all the teams they've played are awful? I don't think so they just have not been given the oppertunity. People in central Ohio told me Highland was pretty good well they barely beat Centerburg and Fort could of beat Centerburg much worse but kinda laid up and ran the clock in 2nd half. A lot of people thought Chesapeake was a good ball club then Barnesville beat them by 19. One thing I do know is nobody really knows outcomes of games before they are played. NC is going to play great defense and this should be a great night to be in Zanesville. Trust me I'm not a parent of a player I don't even have kids.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by nc green wave » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:32 am

Northridge has also made the playoffs a handful of times

Chalito - please list the names of the transfers from the 70's and 80's. Thanks

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Stan_Marsh » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:41 am

EasternDspy wrote:
Chalito wrote:
Chalito wrote:
You made the troll comment. I gave an opinion and I was wrong and I admitted it. Kick me off then mod. And don't be fooled. We all know you have a son on the team. What number is he and what round do you expect him to be drafted in the NFL?
Outlandish comment? I'll give you that one regarding the running clock. I've seen some of those SE Ohio schools play especially D7 and for the most part it's not very good football. Do you disagree? But the Fact that the heralded Number 1 seed was beaten by the 8 seed is still a problem is it not?

In general it has been bad but Southeastern teams can have years where there up more then others. Teams such as Valley,River,Bellaire and Fort Frye that get a good group of Srs to build on for that one good year. I'm glad you've came around a little bit from when you 1sr joined. You can't just base how good a team is just based on who they've played. I personally don't know how good Fort Frye is. They have not really been challenged. Does that mean they're overrated and all the teams they've played are awful? I don't think so they just have not been given the oppertunity. People in central Ohio told me Highland was pretty good well they barely beat Centerburg and Fort could of beat Centerburg much worse but kinda laid up and ran the clock in 2nd half. A lot of people thought Chesapeake was a good ball club then Barnesville beat them by 19. One thing I do know is nobody really knows outcomes of games before they are played. NC is going to play great defense and this should be a great night to be in Zanesville. Trust me I'm not a parent of a player I don't even have kids.
I witnessed the Highland vs Centerburg game and Highland had an absolutely atrocious night that night, and luckily it happened to be against Centerburg. Fort Frye is a great team, but they wouldn't have beat Highland this year in my opinion and that's not a slight towards Fort Frye. Every one of Highlands losses made the the D4 playoffs. 2 of those 3 losses were 10 point games or less. You can certainly say Fort Frye is more consistent considering they haven't had that game where they shot themselves in the foot and I admire them for that. Also to argue with myself on the above comment I will mention and I think it goes without saying that obviously the Fort Frye team in week 11 was better than the Highland team that showed up week 6. Not a big deal though, matchup that will probably never happen.

Chalito, I'm glad you came to this forum, I missed all of the people that made Newark Catholic look like the d-bag capital of the world on the puddle. Your probably one of those guys that was crying and pleading with Johnstowns head coach last season to bench his big meanie linebacker that was mean to the poor Newark Catholic kids. Your passive aggressiveness is annoying, you throw out a jab, and then cry victim and claim others are being "mean" to you. You can point a finger in my face and say I'm being insulting and guess what? That's totally fine.

Fort Frye 35
Newark Catholic 21

Eastern, get ready after this victory im going to guess that all the Cadets are gonna be some of the dirtiest players in the whole world lol :mrgreen:

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Stan_Marsh » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:44 am

To the rest of the NC faithful, don't get me confused. I respect Newark Catholic and I respect you all, the above is directed at one person who may be a true faithful of NC, or maybe is someone trying to make NC look like a bunch of jack@$$3$.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:46 am

I hope you're right Stan this would be great for the community.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Stone Cold » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:47 am

LICKING COUNTY FAN wrote:Fort Frye Cadets
12-0
Opponents combined record(Including playoffs
55-72
Best win(I.M.O.)
Waterford 10-1(35-14)
Wins against teams over .500 (4) 2 In regualr season 2 in playoffs

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8-4
Opponents combined record Record(Including playoffs)
75-54
Best Win (I.M.O.)
Nelsonville 9-2(41-21)
Wins against teams over .500 (4)2 In regualr season 2 in playoffs

1 common opponent
Northridge

Fort Frye won,37-20-Game was at Fort Frye
Newark Catholic won,40-12 Game was at Northridge
Great post.
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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Paladin » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:25 pm

NC is the pick.
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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Greenwave » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:05 pm

formerfcfan wrote:
Greenwave wrote:Nc has beat malvern, woodsfield , shadyside crooksville
The 1st trip in 1981 the only losses i remember is Bridgeport in 2010 Steubenville Catholic in 1993 state final 4 and fisher Catholic 2000 the year they were in the state title. I started going in 1980 i had a spreadsheet of all Nc games but a virus locked the file hopefully some day i can get it replaced
Just a clarification - we went to the state title in 98. We also were one of the two teams to beat NC in 2007 the year you guys won the state title.

Sorry fisher fan i was just answering licking county fan on what Nc record was at zanesville and I was going by memory. I think we also played fisher another year there and won. We have only lost 3 games there.

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Post by formerfcfan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:19 pm

Thanks for clarifying; it may have been 93 or 95 that NC beat us @ Zanesville.

05 & 06 matchups between the two were both at Fairfield Union, if I recall correctly.

I believe our playoff record vs NC is 3-4. I'm a little hazy on the 2000 matchup, but I know NC alum Andy Helms was coach for the Irish then.




As for the game, any game vs NC at this stage will be a four quarter battle. FF has some firepower, but NC is always tough.
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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Steely Dan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:39 pm

Greenwave wrote:
formerfcfan wrote:
Greenwave wrote:Nc has beat malvern, woodsfield , shadyside crooksville
The 1st trip in 1981 the only losses i remember is Bridgeport in 2010 Steubenville Catholic in 1993 state final 4 and fisher Catholic 2000 the year they were in the state title. I started going in 1980 i had a spreadsheet of all Nc games but a virus locked the file hopefully some day i can get it replaced
Just a clarification - we went to the state title in 98. We also were one of the two teams to beat NC in 2007 the year you guys won the state title.

Sorry fisher fan i was just answering licking county fan on what Nc record was at zanesville and I was going by memory. I think we also played fisher another year there and won. We have only lost 3 games there.
And I was at that game when NC beat Woodsfield. Rob Kelly was a man amongst boys. It was a cold and crappy weather night, that night, I do remember.
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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:59 pm

If anyone wants to check out Casey Lewis highlight film.


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Post by nerkfan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:47 pm

Nice video on Mr Lewis

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:49 pm

Lewis has had a great year but he's not the only weapon Tate Engle has thrown 19 or 20 Tds only 3 ints.

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Post by EasternDspy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:50 pm

Garrett Lochary also has 16 Tds.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by EasternDspy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:12 pm

Newark Catholic QB has struggled at times with 1654 yards 59 % passing 13 Tds 12 ints 137 yards per game. The Cadet defensive ends Prichard and Mccleod really need to put some pressure on him so he can't get the ball out to Lake and Peddicord.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by LICKING COUNTY FAN » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:46 pm

The QB draw needs to be ran, while the option needs to be scrapped.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by The Oaf » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:46 am

Running clock in this one, NC big.......
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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by bbtrucking.inc » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:17 pm

In my opinion, this will be a very good game. Fort frye may have the edge coming off of two very good playoff games
and with NC being close games. I don't feel as though Gibson is quite as good as people hold him to be. There is no way he alone can dominate the entire Fort Frye defense. With Brady Carpenter, and Casey Lewis on defense as very solid players, and the same two on offense, you have to respect the run and pass game. I have Fort Frye with the win, but a very close game. Maybe 28-21

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by bbtrucking.inc » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:18 pm

The Oaf wrote:Running clock in this one, NC big.......
WOW!!! You will be severely dissapointed in this one if you want NC to win at all, let alone "Big"

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by The Oaf » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:24 pm

bbtrucking.inc wrote:
The Oaf wrote:Running clock in this one, NC big.......
WOW!!! You will be severely dissapointed in this one if you want NC to win at all, let alone "Big"
I could care less who wins and I'll be the first to post I'm wrong if NC doesn't drop this team...... :roll:
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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by Stan_Marsh » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:26 pm

The Oaf wrote:Running clock in this one, NC big.......
Check out this joker lol NC didn't even put a running clock on Bellaire.

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Re: 23 Regional Final: Fort Frye (12-0) vs Newark Catholic (8-4)

Post by The Oaf » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:32 pm

Stan_Marsh wrote:
The Oaf wrote:Running clock in this one, NC big.......
Check out this joker lol NC didn't even put a running clock on Bellaire.
Call me crazy but there's not one single impressive win on Frye's schedule. Not one. Those are some incredibly bad teams they beat this year. I just don't believe they're prepared to win this game. Again, I'll be the first to post if I'm wrong.....
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