Tri-Valley 9-1 and No playoffs.

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

D-2 School
9-1 This season
Did not play any D-2 schools
Played 4 Div 3
Played 4 Div 4
Played 1 Div 5
Played 1 Div 6

Have they outgrown the league?
If they are going to stay in the league will they need to try and schedule Div 1 and/or Div 2 schools only as a non-league opponent?

* I know this year was somewhat a fluke, with Marion Franklin and Zanesville being so bad, but these things are bound to happen sometimes.
9-1 and not making the playoffs, is hard to do.

[enigmaax]

Looks like they are the only 9-1 team sitting out this year. A couple of things I noticed:
* - They would've made the playoffs in two other regions, one at #5 and one they would've snuck in at #8 (in the 3rd other region, they'd also have finished 9th).
* - They missed by .05 points on the average, which is the difference between one opponent being one Division higher/lower. Zanesville dropped a Division in the last cycle (TV has played them for a few years); had they remained D-2, TV would've tied for the 8th spot.
* - One more win by an opponent would've also put them in (a league team winning one more non-league game or a non-league opponent winning any other game). Some close opponent losses that would've made a difference:
* - Marion-Franklin (3-7) losing by 3 to Columbus West (9-1)
* - Morgan (5-5) losing by 3 to Marietta (5-5)
* - Crooksville (1-9) losing by 7 to Danville (6-3)
* - New Lex (3-7) losing by 4 to Fairfield Union (4-6)
* - John Glenn (4-6) losing by 7 to Meadowbrook (2-8) and losing by 4 to Cambridge (7-3)
* - Philo (8-2) losing by 2 to Licking Valley (4-6)
* - In fact, if Crooksville (D-VI) had just been able to pull the upset instead of losing by 6 to Morgan (D-III), TV would be in)
* - Uniontown Lake (6-4) finished just ahead of TV by virtue of an upset win earlier in the season over Copley (8-2) and by scraping out a 1-point win over Green (2-8) last night.
* - The #7 team in the region, Dublin Coffman (7-3), only beat one team with a winning record but it happened to be 9-win Hilliard Bradley.
* - The #6 team in the region, Columbus West (9-1) also had a 1-point win in Week 1 vs. Mifflin (5-5); CW was good on a 2-pt conversion to build a 17-point lead at one point - that 2 points ended up being the difference as Mifflin scored 2 TDs & 2 conversions in the 4th quarter for a 42-41 final

It is fascinating to me how one seemingly random bounce miles away can impact a completely different team at the end of the season.

[Chalito]

This is a shame. Playing in a league with Crookesville, New Lex, and West Muskingum??? 6-4 Lake earned this berth. Two big wins in Dover and Copley. Sad but true, and football people know it. You can make all the excuses and think out every scenario possible (such as if Team A would have Beat Team D and Team G wins one more game.) Futility. Tri-Valley, for all intents and purposes, played an 7 game schedule. The Sheridan loss defines this team. Tri-Valley had a down year for them. If they retain this schedule they may go 10-0 and not get in. Now that would be an absolute disaster. (Not saying this year wasn't)

[Falcon01]

I've said it over and over TV has to leave the MVL or this will continue to happen . They have to go 10-0 almost every year to have a shot, even 9-1 most years won't mean a home game. The mvl isn't the league it once was and TV now being d2 is a killer for them. You can't get the points you need playing schools 2-4 divisions smaller than you. Scheduling MF was supposed to help but then they really struggled.

Philo and Sheridan both had good seasons too and both barely made it as the 8, and both are likely to get beaten badly in round 1.

[Chieftain2009]

TV really needs to leave this league, unless they're going to go 10-0 every year and still end up with a not great seed. If they choose to stay in the MVL, they have to schedule up in non-conference, D1 and D2 teams only!

[Raider6309]

Wasn't there talk about creating a league with Tri Valley, Zanesville, and Logan?

[Orange and Brown]

TV really needs to leave this league, unless they're going to go 10-0 every year and still end up with a not great seed. If they choose to stay in the MVL, they have to schedule up in non-conference, D1 and D2 teams only!

They only play 2 non conference games so it wouldnt be too hard to find good programs their size to play.

[thebarlowbandit]

Logan is going to have the same problem down the road.

[EasternDspy]

Shouldn't of got rolled by Sheridan

[The Oaf]

Sounds like Tri Valley is the new "Logan"

[Runner]

Tri Valley is the smallest school in Division 2 I believe. They are NOT as good as the record makes them look each year. They should drop to D3 next year.

[enigmaax]

You can make all the excuses and think out every scenario possible (such as if Team A would have Beat Team D and Team G wins one more game.) Futility.

I wasn't making excuses. Just an observation that ithe was so close that any one of about a dozen things that maybe *should* have happened and didn't and it had an impact far away. I have nothing to do with TV, don't care if they make it or not, was just interested in what a huge difference one random play here or there can make.

I agree with all of the sentiments expressed here. They are a big fish playing in a small pond just from anow enrollment standpoint and they've also been dominant for long enough that there has to be some kind of crossroads where you say, are we satisfied beating up on smaller schools or do we want to see if we can challenge at a higher level? I mean, didn't they win something like 45 consecutive league games? At what point does that lose some luster when you are the biggest school in the league?

As for dropping a division, they wouldn't have made the playoffs in D-3 either.

[Runner]

Their 18.8 average would have been good enough to put them in the playoffs at #6 in D2R6 and #7 in D2R8 this year. It would have also been good for #6 in D3R10. The thing that kept them out was Zanesville. The loss to Sheridan was not as devastating as Zanesville only winning 2 games

[teach1coach2]

Tri-Valley's two non-league games were Zanesville and Marion Franklin. Normally, those teams have won 8 or 9 games each season. Just can't predict that both would go 2-8. Tri-Valley will keep playing Zanesville because it is a neighboring school (both should be div. 3 next year) and a great rivalry is emerging. Tri-Valley has replaced Marion Franklin with Akron St. Vincent St. Mary's (week 1 Thursday game in 2017). Tri-Valley will be a solid team next year. Should be much better than this year's team.

What would it take for TV to leave the MVL?

A league with at least 8 teams (or division with at least 8 teams) of similar size and travel comparable or less than what TV has now.
AND, if TV ever leaves the MVL they would NEVER get voted back in the MVL.

So let's take a look at it.

The ECOL?
Nope. Marietta is too far. Dover, New Philly, Cambridge, and Zanesville have looked for a new league the whole time they have been in the ECOL. Plus, a 6 team division means you have to find games weeks 1-5 in football. Weeks 4 and 5 and extremely difficult to find. Look at who Dover and New Philly have played.

The OCC? (Ohio Capital Conference)
Nope. Look at what happened to Mount Vernon. When they realign the districts with 3 high schools like Westerville, Olentangy, etc. have a lot of power. A team 1 hour east of Columbus ends up in a division with a bunch of west side of Columbus teams. Especially tough with junior high teams.

The LCL?
So far no. Down the road it is the best possibility. If the LCL would not have dragged it's feet a couple years back, they likely could have had TV, Zanesville, Mt. Vernon, and maybe Newark and Big Walnut. The current LCL schools could not agree who would be in the big school division and who would be in the small. Licking Valley and Granville do not want in with the big schools.

Last year, the LCL asked 5 big schools and 1 small school to join the league. All 6 had to say yes for it to be a go. Not all 6 said yes. Zanesville and Logan were very disappointed they did not get in. TV was not one of the teams invited.

I think the LCL big schools are going to have to break away from the LCL if they want a league of larger schools.
Licking Heights, Watkins Memorial, Tri-Valley, Zanesville, Mount Vernon, Newark, Big Walnut, +1 (Granville, Sheridan, Canal Winchester?).
[Sorry Logan, but just too far away for Big Walnut and Mt. Vernon.]

[enigmaax]

Their 18.8 average would have been good enough to put them in the playoffs at #6 in D2R6 and #7 in D2R8 this year. It would have also been good for #6 in D3R10. The thing that kept them out was Zanesville. The loss to Sheridan was not as devastating as Zanesville only winning 2 games

But they would've played in Region 9 had they been D-3 this year and would've still missed out. Beating Sheridan would've gotten them the #5 spot, so it certainly was devastating.

Tri-Valley's two non-league games were Zanesville and Marion Franklin. Normally, those teams have won 8 or 9 games each season. Just can't predict that both would go 2-8. Tri-Valley will keep playing Zanesville because it is a neighboring school (both should be div. 3 next year) and a great rivalry is emerging. Tri-Valley has replaced Marion Franklin with Akron St. Vincent St. Mary's (week 1 Thursday game in 2017). Tri-Valley will be a solid team next year. Should be much better than this year's team.

Yes, Zanesville was 33-7 in the last 4 years (TV played them three of those). It looked like a good pickup. Marion-Franklin was 54-6 the last 6 years and hadn't won less than 7 games in 10 years. I don't know who would've imagined that those two schools would only combine for 5 wins. That really highlights just how important those two games are; I noticed TV has always scheduled two pretty good non-league games (Upper Arlington, Dover, etc.).

[Raider6309]

The new 7th divisions sucks. Made D3 a catholic party.

[teach1coach2]

Hopefully the competitive balance will make D2 a Private school party

[Raider6309]

Hopefully the competitive balance will make D2 a Private school party

It might bump up LaSalle to D1 but Akron SVSM, Cleveland Benny, Akron Hoban, Desales, and Toledo CC are around 300 boys so they won't move. It might bump up Kettering Alter and Bishop Fenwick to D3

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

I wont say who but a coach told me there is a public school in the league he coaches in and they will move up a division when the competitive balance kicks in.

[X8XOHIOLEGENDX7X]

Gotta schedule 12 10-0 1096 Newcomerstown it happens sadly for the kids